<p>If you don't agree that the empire strikes back is the greatest Star Wars movie and that the phantom menace is less star warsy than Galaxy Quest then your future posts on hsl will be shunned for years to come</p>
<p>For some reasons auto correct made Star Wars star was.</p>
<p>Everybody our age already knew literally the only plot twist in the entire series before we saw TESB, so it’s not really possible to appreciate it as much as the people who saw it 30 years ago did. It’s like if you saw The Sixth Sense knowing that Bruce Willis was dead, or saw Fast and Furious 6 knowing that Vin Diesel was going to have to drive fast cars quickly.</p>
<p>I’ve never watched Star Wars, what does that make me?</p>
<p>@HatebeingSober:</p>
<p>Unlike you, my father made me wait to see each star wars movie.
7=IV
8=V
9=VI
10=I
11=II
12=III</p>
<p>He did it so as to both surprise me and to make me wait like he did.</p>
<p>@CE:
I know what your going to have to do this summer</p>
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<p>Uh, my summer’s a little booked up, and I’m not that interested in Star Wars, sorry. These guys I know were having a debate the other day about the worst movie, and they agreed it was Attack of the Clones. That’s about as far as my Star Wars knowledge goes.</p>
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Surprise doesn’t do anything for me in stories. What makes a plot twist effective or ineffective to me is the same as what makes any plot device effective or ineffective: how powerfully it develops characters. The plot twist in The Empire Strikes Back is great because of how it’s developed: we see how it first affects one character, then another, and how they respond to it. The plot twist in The Sixth Sense is amazing because it ties everything together in an ironic way.</p>
<p>Lol i love posts like this</p>
<p>@Halogen</p>
<p>There’s something about those plot twists way out of left field that gets to me better than any other plot device. Seriously, watch some movies like Primal Fear or The Shawshank Redemption and you’ll see what I mean. Most movies have really linear, predictable story arcs and I get a whole lot more excitement from the movies that don’t.</p>
<p>For a second I thought the Sixth Sense was the one where the kid gets shanked at the end. But thats Pay It Forward.</p>
<p>…oh yeah spoiler alert. Oops too late.</p>
<p>Snape kills Dumbledore.</p>
<p>But then Harry finds out, after Snape gives him his memories right before he dies, that Dumbledore had asked Snape to kill him because he was going to die anyways, and he wanted to save Malfoy’s soul and to make Voldemort trust Snape even more.</p>
<p>Wow, thanks for the spoiler alert, jerk.</p>
<p>I liked Attack of the Clones best when I was little just because it was more modern and looked better. I’d probably agree with the Empire Strikes Back now.</p>
<p>After my first viewing of The Shawshank Redemption, I thought “what a brilliant escape plot.”
After my second viewing: “I never realized how good the story is.”
After my third viewing: “who knew how much depth there was to the characters?”
After my fourth viewing: “Morgan Freeman is the best actor ever.”
During my fifth viewing, several years later, I had to keep pausing to dry the tears from my eyes so I could actually see what was happening. I’d have to do this at intense scenes and seemingly innocuous scenes because they would evoke the power of the whole story, either inexplicably or due to subtle connections. Only then did I fully appreciate the message of the resilience of the human spirit, how precious hope is when it’s all we have, and how damn quotable the movie is.</p>
<p>My reaction to the plot twist without prior knowledge was “Brilliant!” My reaction to it after having seen it several times previously was joy deep in my soul, having witnessed the triumph of a man I cared for because I got myself sucked into the fictional world. The barrage of irony (the shoes, the rope, the bible verse…) in the later parts of the story gave it what I can only call a “biting” quality – a sharp, twisted sense of humor that somehow strengthened the emotional gravity of the overall message by lifting the situational gravity. (Long ago, I gave up trying to explain how irony works and decided just to appreciate it when I recognize it. =p)</p>
<p>To me, every great story has to be experienced at least twice so I have a chance to focus less on the cerebral aspect of what happens and more on the visceral aspect of why it happens and why it’s told the way it is. A great story doesn’t lose its impact when observed nonlinearly; instead, it is enhanced that way because every part of it is appreciated all at once at every moment. Plot twists can be appreciated for their sharp irony. Unpredictability is valuable even when I know what happens because it makes the story feel unique and special, like it is a character of its own. If a story is too predictable, that doesn’t just make it boring on the first viewing because I’m not thrown for a loop – that’s a symptom of the deeper problem that the story fits into a worn out pattern that I recognized because I’ve seen it in so many other stories.</p>
<p>But now that we’ve talked about The Sixth Sense and The Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars seems pretty imbecilic…</p>
<p>@TheKongo no problem.</p>
<p>Also, Voldemort dies and Harry lives because he is the true master of the Elder Wand, and the Elder Wand can’t kill its master.</p>
<p>My counterargument to Halogen:</p>
<p>BUT LIGHTSABERS ARE COOL</p>
<p>In my order:
A new hope
Empire strike back
Attack of the clone
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
The phantom menace</p>
<p>However I do not share the hate for the first movie, it was fitting for a prequel. And attack of the clone? Most fighting in the series in my opinions.</p>
<p>I can’t choose between the star wars movies. they each have their own awesomeness</p>
<p>For the record, star trek is better than star war. If you don’t think so, then you haven’t seen a lot if star trek</p>