<p>There’s a Miami University in Ohio. It’s a public school and actually older than U Miami.</p>
<p>You are quire right Se4sons. The University of Miami is Corral Gables is private. But Miami University of Ohio is a public university, and was among the original “Public Ivies” according to Richard Moll.</p>
<p>Wait… is Miami University in Ohio named after the Native American tribe, or the city (which i guess would still make it named after the tribe, albeit indirectly)?</p>
<p>Miami U is located in Oxford, Ohio. But word is, the Native American tribe. Rumor is, the FL city was named for same by some railroad guy from…Ohio.</p>
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<p>Berkeley’s admit rate for 2013 was 20%.</p>
<p>^ Berkeley’s 75th percentile M + 75th percentile CR scores are almost as high as Brown’s and Cornell’s. Michigan’s, at 1500, are identical to Brown’s and Cornell’s. That is, the highest public SAT scores, at the high (75th pctl) end, are equal to the lowest Ivy scores. ([College</a> Rankings - Top 500 Ranked Colleges - Highest SAT 75th Percentile Scores - StateUniversity.com](<a href=“USA University College Directory - U.S. University Directory - State Universities and College Rankings”>Top 500 Ranked Colleges - Highest SAT 75th Percentile Scores))</p>
<p>However, at the low (25th percentile) end of the median range, there’s a spread between the most selective publics and the least selective Ivies. Michigan’s 75th%ile M + 75th%ile CR is 1250. Berkeley’s is the same. Cornell’s is 1300 (probably depressed by non-CAS numbers). Brown’s is 1340, Penn’s is 1350 … Harvard’s is 1390.</p>
<p>Furthermore, at the Ivies, much more so than at the most selective public schools, high scores typically are a necessary but not sufficient qualification. The Ivies take high stats for granted; decisions are more heavily based on EC distinctions evaluated across a national talent pool. Michigan, Berkeley and UVa are quite selective, but the Ivies are in a fairly different league. Yes, you may find a higher absolute number of high-scoring students at Berkeley than you would at the Ivies … but at any public school, you’ll have to look harder to find nearly the concentration of high stats plus diverse talents that you would at the Ivies.</p>
<p>Does that matter? Some students may believe these differences significantly affect the classroom, dorm room, or extracurricular experience. Others may not care too much whether the kid down the hall is a violin virtuoso with perfect test scores from an obscure town in North Dakota, or just a regular BWRK who went to the same suburban high school you did.</p>
<p>re: the original Miami:
[Why</a> is there a Miami in Ohio? | All Things Colorado Sports ? The Denver Post](<a href=“http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2007/09/17/why-is-there-a-miami-in-ohio/1773/]Why”>http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2007/09/17/why-is-there-a-miami-in-ohio/1773/)
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<p>The data for Michigan seem to be off (too high). Some others are also slightly off when compared to Collegeboard.com</p>
<p>What test scores did Obama have?</p>
<p>God, barrons, what is with you?</p>
<p>What are the stats for OOS vs IS students at Michigan and Berkeley and UNC, I wonder?</p>
<p>It is well documented that test scores are both not good predictors of actual college success and are closely tied to income and related SES factors. That was my point. Was my post too subtle for you??</p>
<p>I think whenhen has the right idea in post 23: [Association</a> of American Universities](<a href=“http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5474]Association”>http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5474)</p>
<p>Note that this list includes 7 out of 8 Ivy League schools, and nearly every school that has been proposed as a “public ivy”. The AAU members have to be invited or voted in, and they can be voted out (e.g. University of Nebraska). A school can’t just decide to join. Exclusivity and peer-assessment are built right in.</p>
<p>@Sam Lee
This is the actual data based off of enrolled students. If we just look at admitted students, it can be pretty misleading. Again, this is the 25th% CR + 25th% M and the 75th% CR + 75th% M.</p>
<p>Top Public Universities
Michigan: 1260 - 1460
Berkeley: 1220 - 1490
UCLA: 1160 - 1440
UNC: 1200 - 1400
UVA: 1260 - 1460</p>
<p>Ivy League
Harvard: 1390 - 1590
Yale: 1410 - 1590
Princeton: 1410 - 1590
Cornell: 1300 - 1500
Dartmouth: 1350 - 1560
Brown: 1320 - 1530
UPenn: 1350 - 1530
Columbia: No Public Data</p>
<p>Kron, why did you include UNC? That is clearly not a top public university.</p>
<p>UNC is pretty difficult to get into for out of state students. 14% admit rate, I believe, compared to like 50% for in-state students.</p>
<p>“Kron, why did you include UNC? That is clearly not a top public university.”</p>
<p>Here we go again…</p>
<p>1200-1400 isn’t that impressive, you know.</p>
<p>How impressed are you by SAT scores? What do they mean to you?</p>
<p>A university that is ranked on the same level as institutions like UC-Berkeley, UMich, UVA should have similar incoming freshman stats. UNC-CH’s average SAT is wayyy too low. Its reading 25th percentile is in the 500’s lol. Seems like in-state kids have spoiled UNC. Even Georgia Tech has a higher 25th percentile of 1260.</p>
<p><a href=“http://oira.unc.edu/files/2013/04/cds_2012_2013.pdf[/url]”>http://oira.unc.edu/files/2013/04/cds_2012_2013.pdf</a></p>