The New Affirmative Action

<p>Here's an interesting NYTimes article about the new AA at the UC system.</p>

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The heart of California’s higher-education problem, according to Taylor, is that Proposition 209 created a patently impossible situation. The law says that universities can’t consider race, even though race has an enormous effect on the lives of applicants.

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At every rung of the socioeconomic ladder, the academic record of black students is worse than that of other groups. As Taylor says: “There is a great deal of pressure to look for a proxy for race. There is no proxy for race.”

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If you were to ask admissions officers whether they also gave special consideration to low-income applicants — whether they gave them credit for overcoming Johnson’s unseen forces — the officers would say that, absolutely, they did. </p>

<p>In truth, however, they did not. Three years ago, William Bowen (the former president of Princeton) and two other researchers discovered what was really going on. They persuaded 19 elite colleges — including Harvard, Middlebury and Virginia — to let them analyze their admissions records. The easiest way to understand the results is to imagine a group of students who each have the same SAT scores. Holding that equal, a recruited athlete was 30 percentage points more likely to be admitted than a nonathlete. A black, Latino or Native American student was 28 percentage points more likely to be admitted than a white or Asian student. A legacy received a 20-percentage-point boost over someone whose parents hadn’t attended that college. And low-income students? They received no advantage whatsoever. A poor white kid from upstate New York would be treated no differently from a white kid in Chappaqua. Frances Harris would get no more of a leg up than the black daughter of corporate lawyers.

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Colleges often resort to huge preferences to create a racially diverse student body, especially if they haven’t been giving any advantage to low-income applicants, who are of course disproportionately minorities. And many of the beneficiaries of the preferences end up being upper-middle-class minority students, since they tend to have better test scores than poor minorities. The helping hand that goes to these relatively well-off nonwhite students strikes many people as unjust. It makes it seem as if affirmative action isn’t making good on its larger promise. Affirmative action becomes about mere diversity — and not even all forms of diversity — rather than fairness. Politically, that has made it weaker and weaker.

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After the initiative passed, the U.C. campuses also put more weight on students’ socioeconomic backgrounds when they made admissions decisions. Richard Sander, a U.C.L.A. law professor who has become a critic of affirmative action, studied admissions data at Berkeley and found that, all else being equal, lower-income students had a better chance of getting in after 1997 than before. Together, these various class-based efforts have helped the share of Pell Grant students at both U.C.L.A. and Berkeley to hold steady over the last decade, even as it has declined at many similar colleges.

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The big question that hangs over U.C.L.A.’s success, of course, is whether the university broke the law. Looking at the numbers, it’s hard not to conclude that race was a factor in this year’s admissions decisions. The average SAT score for admitted African-American students fell 45 points this year, to 1,738. For Asian, Latino and white students, the averages were much more stable. “I’m quite confident that U.C. factors race in, in various ways,” said Sander, the U.C.L.A. law professor and affirmative-action critic. “There is no way to explain the disparities otherwise.” He has filed a public-information request that would allow him to examine the data more closely. </p>

<p>In particular, U.C.L.A.’s experience suggests that some tension between race and class in the admissions process may be inevitable. Even as the number of low-income black freshmen soared this year, the overall number of low-income freshmen fell somewhat. The rise in low-income black students was accompanied by a fall in low-income Asian students — not a decline in well-off students. U.C.L.A. administrators say they don’t fully understand why.

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<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30affirmative-t.html?pagewanted=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30affirmative-t.html?pagewanted=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Interesting article.</p>

<p>Kudos to UCLA and their alumni. An inspirational article. Not a perfect system, but I applaud the efforts of the UCLA administrators to tackle the tough issues surrounding AA, and working to finding solutions, creating opportuities for a quality public education to people of color.</p>

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And low-income students? They received no advantage whatsoever. A poor white kid from upstate New York would be treated no differently from a white kid in Chappaqua.

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It's rather difficult to consider income as a factor yet remain need-blind. :rolleyes:</p>

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Kudos to UCLA and their alumni. An inspirational article. Not a perfect system, but I applaud the efforts of the UCLA administrators to tackle the tough issues surrounding AA, and working to finding solutions, creating opportuities for a quality public education to people of color.

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<p>Asians are people of color too. Yet AA (or whatever system it is that UCLA is using now) doesn't seem to help them. If anything, it hurts them. One of the most vexing conundrums of AA is why exactly should a more qualified Asian-American applicant be rejected in favor of a less qualified African-American applicant, especially if the former comes from a poorer background than does the latter? Or perhaps an even more vexing question: why should a more qualified Asian-American applicant be rejected in favor of a less qualifed white applicant? Yet that is precisely what can happen under AA.</p>

<p>I firmly believe that race should NEVER be included in the admissions process. I do however believe that a student's socio-ecomonic situation should ALWAYS be considered. Students who shine in lower income environments should be admitted even if their scores don't quite match those of the students applying from affluent communities (whether they are black, white or purple!)
I live in a great school system. I go to school with a family who puts on their applications that they are "hispanic" because their grandparents are. However, neither of their parents speak Spanish and they were born and raised in a great town with every advantage given to them. But, that check on the application will get them into schools that far more qualified students from the same school won't get a look. This is NOT fair!!</p>

<p>45 points seems insignificant.</p>

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45 points seems insignificant.

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<p>Agreed.</p>

<p>So does 200 or so AA matriculants out of 50,000 plus total applicants.</p>

<p>I applaud Peter Taylor and everyone invloved with the outreach efforts for attacking the heart of the AA issue. While I am against race-based affirmative action, I support preference based on socioeconomic disadvantage where race is a prime factor in being disadvantaged.</p>

<p>How do colleges see the Pell Grant if FAFSA isn't filed until after admission?</p>

<p>I think i may qualify, but if I'm applying to Duke ED i don't see anyway this could help me since FAFSA can't be filed until Jan 1st</p>

<p>What UCLA is doing is to doing AA without admitting it at the expense of low income student. </p>

<p>“In particular, U.C.L.A.’s experience suggests that some tension between race and class in the admissions process may be inevitable. Even as the number of low-income black freshmen soared this year, the overall number of low-income freshmen fell somewhat. The rise in low-income black students was accompanied by a fall in low-income Asian students — not a decline in well-off students. U.C.L.A. administrators say they don’t fully understand why.”</p>

<p>Let us examine the actual number, given in </p>

<p><a href="http://www.dailybruin.com/news/2007/may/14/minority-numbers-last-year/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dailybruin.com/news/2007/may/14/minority-numbers-last-year/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>black enrollment up from 96 to 203, +107
low income student (<30K) down from 955 to 689, -266
first generation college student down from 1691 to 1260, -431</p>

<p>If we look at admit rate for students in low performing school (statewide api rank 1 or 2, top rank is 10, and Sacramento Charter High is 2)</p>

<p>black up from 12 to 27%, +15
Latino up from 25 to 27%, +2
Asian down from 35 to 31%, -4
White down from 41 to 33%, -8</p>

<p>so among poor preforming school, only admission rate of URM increases, poor while and Asian are doing worse in the admission game</p>

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<a href="http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2007/may/02/score_gaps_stir_dispute_over_holistic_approach/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2007/may/02/score_gaps_stir_dispute_over_holistic_approach/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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It's rather difficult to consider income as a factor yet remain need-blind.

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<p>Actually, schools successfully can achieve both--that is, as long as you go by the traditional admissions definition of "need blind." It's a bit of a misnomer. It doesn't mean that the college remains wholly ignorant of income, or that it makes no difference in one's admissions chances. It means that a student will not be denied on the basis of the fact that he or she will have financial need. </p>

<p>It's true that a genuine, literal "need-blind" policy should mean that your income (low or high) could neither hurt nor help you. But in practice, the term simply means that being low-income will not hurt you.</p>