The official 2009 APUSH after exam discussion thread

<p>Using outside info is one of the points you get on the rubric, so if you don’t have much it might hurt you (This is different from the AP World DBQ, in which outside info is not required).</p>

<p>It doesn’t matter whether or not you cite. If you don’t cite, it needs to be fairly obvious which document you are referring to in your writing. If you do cite, it doesn’t matter how you do so. You can simply add parentheses after sentences referring to documents, like “blah blah blah (Doc. A),” or you can integrate the citations into your sentences “As Document A demonstrates, blah blah blah…” or you can flat out quote documents, although that’s not probably not a good idea (waste of time). The graders will most likely skip anything you quote - they already know the documents inside and out.</p>

<p>So yeah, don’t worry too much about technicalities of the DBQ. The readers should be able to understand what you’re doing.</p>

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<p>Yes. Definitely.</p>

<p>If you write a lot more, however, it should not be major.</p>

<p>Can somebody answer my question?</p>

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<p>This, no, if it’s written correctly but in the wrong time they can excuse it.</p>

<p>That’s why I’m worrying about mine–excused or not?</p>

<p>If you just called it the Great Awakening, they probably won’t care. They’ll assume you’re talking about the correct one. :P</p>

<p>^ Just “Great Awakening” would be fine, but “First Great Awakening” would be way out of the time period by like 40 years. </p>

<p>And I was always taught to write, “as seen in Document A” or “blah blah says this (Document A).” I think you need an explicit reference to the Document so they know where you got your info.</p>

<p>“That’s odd. On the DBQ essay page itself, it says “…cite key pieces of evidence from the documents…” But since teachers teach that you should and some say you shouldn’t explicitly cite, it probably has little to no effect on the grader. Explicit references just help them out, and that isn’t too bad of an idea when they’ve already read 200 of them…”</p>

<p>Or since they’ve already ready 200 and know the documents well they could say “this @*$!&##@$ did it too! &!@#”</p>

<p>Like I said earlier, if you don’t cite, they will figure it out for you. But by not citing, you run the risk of them not picking up on a document you thought you did use.</p>

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<p>Yeah, I mean, I put “Great Awakening” in the thesis part, but I might have referenced it as the First later. I doubt I did, because in the essay, I forgot which when the time periods were, so I just didn’t put first or second in order to avoid being wrong.</p>

<p>Lol :)</p>

<p>I hope I’m right…and they don’t kill me over it =P</p>

<p>7 pages…better not be blemished by one lacking word! (Second!)</p>

<p>^^ major no no. Uncle Tom’s cabin was written way later than the time period given if im not mistaken as well as harriet tubman and fred douglass. That is considered a major error if you put information outside the time period by more than a couple decades. Major error means that you can’t get higher than a 2-4 unless the rest of your information is really good. This is what a APUSH table leader test reader told me a couple weeks back. They’re pretty strict on interpretation of docs as well as outside info in the given time period. With that said, I thought the test was really easy. MC not too hard, SAT II last week prepared me well. Essays = very easy since the topics were all things i knew well.</p>

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<p>James, any comment on my Great Awakening question?</p>

<p>Did I have to specify? Will they care? Do they know what I mean?</p>

<p>(They’re just 40 years apart anyways, if I was did use First, I mean it’s 1750 First Great Awakening then 1790 2nd great awakening…)</p>

<p>Red: I think i made the mistake of calling it the first great awakening… I shouldn’t have used that doc to support my essay. Kinda regretting it now.</p>

<p>Like i said red… i think they might see it as a major error but in this case. since i knew what i was talking about it, they might excuse it and let it go. Depends on the rest of your essay. If they see you know what you’re talking about clearly then they will excuse it.</p>

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<p>I mean you can always view it as seeing that the First Great Awakening triggered all the effects.</p>

<p>I know specifically in my thesis rationale I did NOT use First.</p>

<p>Do you think if I just used “Great Awakening” they will just assume Great Awakening in general?</p>

<p>Many just view the overall period as like religious revival, notwithstanding Great Wakening I or II.</p>

<p>If I referenced the Pullman Strike instead of the Haymarket Square riot thingy, would that affect my grade by a lot?</p>

<p>Yea the whole time period was a religious revival. The first great awakening was what caused the whole relgious revival and the democratization of african american into the movement. They will understand what you’re saying and maybe give you props by trying to incorporate it into your essay. I don’t think it will hurt your grade by a lot red.</p>

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<p>You mean miss define the event?</p>

<p>Probably 1 point, unless that’s like the only thing you wrote about.</p>

<p>In #5, if I incorrectly named Roosevelt’s Executive Order 9066, as Executive Order 9011, will I get major points off?</p>

<p>If you said “Great Awakening,” that is correct, so they won’t care.</p>

<p>For example, if you just said “the Revolution” in a relevant FRQ at some point, they wouldn’t consider it a major error simply because you could be talking about the French Revolution. :D</p>

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<p>Lol, alright. I just hope they don’t realize I don’t give them any explanation why it takes like 40 years for the effects to really kick into effect (like the change charts they show are 1775-1830, and if I talk about the first Great Awakening, then it’s sorta funky)</p>

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<p>I don’t think so, that’s a perfectly legitimate attempt man.</p>

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<p>Thanks, <3. Lol.</p>

<p>Now to pray I didn’t mess up, remained consistent, and didn’t call it the First Great Awakening at any point ;)</p>

<p>Anyone have a complaint with their proctor? I zoned out while focusing on my dbq and when he said 20 minutes left I thought he meant 20 minutes for all 3 essays for some reason. So i wrote all 3 essays during the time given for the dbq and realized then that it was just for the dbq… go me</p>

<p>A lot of you seem to think the readers are out to find mistakes in your essay to deduct points for. They really aren’t. Don’t worry about small mistakes. Unless you do something completely wrong (Talking about Reaganomics on the DBQ would probably be a bad idea :)), they’ll stick with you for the rest of the essay before deciding whether or not you really did misunderstand something.</p>

<p>If you reference something outside of the prompt’s time period, they’re not going to immediately tear up your essay and give you a 2. Unless the main focus of your essay is outside of the time period, it can actually be important and beneficial to transition into the periods surrounding the prompt in order to provide some more context.</p>