<p>I plan on going to UM for undergrad and have questions to help plan for my undergrad years, and I'm sure other admits who plan on enrolling have questions as well. </p>
<p>I'll start off with one question for UM undergrads: </p>
<p>What are the general education requirements for undergrads? </p>
<p>Thanks alot! </p>
<p>(More questions to come ... other admits can post questions on this page as well)</p>
<p>Mods: Feel free to sticky thread.</p>
<p>depends on what you major in</p>
<p>are there science requirements for non-science majors?</p>
<p>^bearcats: </p>
<p>I’m planning on Aero + Business … how hard is it to double major specifically in those fields and is admission to Ross undergrad as a freshmen harder than as a HS senior? </p>
<p>Also … how is Applied Math at UMich?</p>
<p>if you’re interested in what the general ed. requirements are, it depends on which school you are in, otherwise most people end up in LSA. The specific requirements can be found online I’m sure, but in general you have to take english freshman year, and then another semester of english in upper division; then there’s a foreign language requirement of 4 semesters. those are the major ones but there’s lots more like electives which will probably depend on your major. I’m also pretty sure you can get out of taking math by doing some kind of quantatative reasoning classes…</p>
<p>^What are the requirements for Aero? I can’t seem to find anything on their website.</p>
<p>ab - The best way to find out reqs specific to you is to use your WA enrollment center. If you dig around you will find a link to degree progress/requirements, and it will list it all specific to your admission. You can create a pdf of the info and print it off.
Hope that helps.</p>
<p>^That’s strange. I tired scouring WA this afternoon (a few hours ago) and most of my pages were blank or said something like … “The data has not yet been loaded yet”</p>
<p>There may be a better way to do this, but log in to your WA account, on the left side menu there is a link to degree progress/requirements,follow that link - it shows all the requirments that must be met for the school that you are in.</p>
<p>each school also has it’s own website with requirement information on it. you might want to check there.</p>
<p>I’m also wondering how hard it may to after a year or two transfer to Ross from Engineering? No matter how hard I try I doubt I’ll be able to do “well” in Engineering (knowing that people smarter than me and trying hard have 2.X GPAs), so it’d have to be easy to switch into Ross for me.</p>
<p>Though if I don’t simply graduating from Engineering should yield a good job right?</p>
<p>“No matter how hard I try I doubt I’ll be able to do “well” in Engineering (knowing that people smarter than me and trying hard have 2.X GPA)”</p>
<p>dont exaggerate it. It’s not THAT bad. Yes the average gpa is around 2.7 (classes curved to between C+ and B- at lower level and B- to B at upper level). but if you are actually a fit for engineering and do the hard work (by hard work I mean actually working hard), it’s not hard to get between 3.0 and 3.3. It is after that where it gets really hard. You rarely find engineers with perfect/close to perfect gpa because sooner or later there is always one or two of those ridiculously hard classes that hit you. I know the the 75th percentile is at 3.2; 90th percentile is at 3.5 and 97th percentile is at 3.7), and that’s why it’s hard to get a 3.5+ in engineering; only 10% of the people can do it, and that’s out of a pool of really smart, quantitative group of students; while for LSA it’s much higher for all these percentiles and you see many people having extraordinarily high gpa.</p>
<p>So my point is, it’s not hard to get a satisfactory GPA in engineering 3.0. It is really hard to get a decent to awesome gpa 3.5+ in engineering because of the curves and the difficulty of the material. I am somewhat shocked by the extent some COE students dont even try, and those kids generally retake the intro level engineering courses over and over and still fail and end up dropping out. I heard the attrition (switching out) rate is around 30%, but I think it is a combination of work ethic and difficulty, not just difficulty.</p>
<p>I do believe there are some people who just cant do engineering and no matter how hard they try they still have problems barely passing most classes. but this is true about most majors, it’s just that you see a lot more cases of these because engineering is harder than most majors and there are more unfit people percentage wise as opposed to say…econ or psych; and you also need to be a hardworker to survive in engineering. There are many classes that you can just get by without doing much work, I did that for ACC 271 and most econ classes and still got As; but engineering classes are not those type of classes. I dont care how smart you are, you’ll need to do the work. </p>
<p>P.S sometimes I think there is a sense of pride in engineering professors that they need to keep grades low. I never understand it, and I dont think it makes sense but I think it is just the culture of engineering.</p>
<p>^Wow a 3.0 sounds like a pretty low GPA … will that hurt chances of admission at for the top engineering grad programs?? </p>
<p>Personally, I’m entering as well above the 75th percentile of incoming freshmen … will that make it easier for me to have a GPA closer to the top?</p>
<p>3.0 is not bad in engineering. In fact, a 3.0 in engineering gets you interviews for almost all jobs if you have the experience, ECs that they aree looking for, except for a couple more prestigious companies like Google, Microsoft or Amazon. You do need a 3.3+ to have a decent chance to get into the best engineering grad programs (Michigan IOE, Michigan ME and stuff) and 3.7+ to get into the best of the best (like MIT, Stanford MS&E, Michigan Financial Engineering).</p>
<p>^I am aiming for MIT/Stanford for grad school. I’ve heard from other grad school people that a 3.7+ is what they’re looking for. Exactly how tough do you think it will be for someone like me … coming in at well over the 75th percentile of incoming … to get a 3.7+ in UM Engineering? (Just want to know what to expect)</p>
<p>3.7+ is around top 3% and you need to remember the freshman profile is inaccurate, engineering freshman tend to have higher stats. but it’s not all about how you did in high school. College is a different animal. Nevertheless, if you try hard, use office hours, manage your time well, I dont see why it is impossible. </p>
<p>I dont even work that hard and generally cram right before the exams and I am at around 3.6, but I am a very good test taker and I was very well prepared because of my high school so there really isnt that much transition for me and I know half the stuff in the intro level classes. Also, IOE is a very math based engineering major and I did get into USAMO in high school, so I might not be a good example. </p>
<p>but I am not going to lie. It is tough</p>
<p>I recently got accepted as a transfer student (sophomore) and I would like to know how competitive the application to architecture school in junior year is. Does anybody know the admission rate?</p>
<p>it depends on the year, fluctuates a lot from what i heard.</p>
<p>^bearcats: I’m an AIME qualifier, so I am quite “mathy” but you probably don’t set a perfect example because you’re an USAMO qualifier (That’s awesome btw … you must be amazing at math). I’m also applying to PROMYS over this summer … will that help?</p>
<p>Btw what is IOE?</p>
<p>PROMYS is an awesome program. I was in PROMYS.</p>
<p>IOE is industrial and operations engineering.</p>
<p>I never understand why they lump them together, but technically they are two majors:
Industrial engineering and operations research. You get to choose which path you go as you select your courses in the program</p>
<p>Industrial Engineering:
industrial engineering is basically human factors design and ergonomics study. i never understand why it falls under engineering as it really requires not much math and “engineering” but I am guessing because the automotive industry needs a lot of industrial engineers and that’s why they lump it in engineering.</p>
<p>Operations Engineering:
You learn a lot of math, modeling and statistics, probability stuff, basic accounting, economic decisions, simulations in the lower level required classes. In addition you also take some programming courses and learn languages such as VB and Excel VBA macro, database design which are very useful in financial modelings, you also learn about linear programming and stochastic processes which are very useful in the quant finance world. Upper level classes include corporate finance, derivative pricing, stock modeling, decision analysis and stuff. You need to complete a senior project in a real company, hospital system to graduate. It is basically business/management engineering. at stanford, they call it management science and engineering.</p>
<p>It’s easier to double major in IOE (assuming you go the operations track which 80% of the students here do) and business because there are a lot of overlaps, the difference is that IOE is a lot more quantitative and a lot more math, calc based stats as opposed to business. In other word, we look at business in a scientific way and try to model as many aspect of business as possible based on math.</p>
<p>Aero + business will be really hard and will take 5-6 years depending on how many AP credits you have coming in.</p>
<p>I recommend you take a look at the Engineering Global Leadership program. I talked about it a little in the other thread</p>