Carnegie Mellon vs. Michigan

<p>I'll start by saying that I'm looking to major in engineering and then double major in business. (If I can't double major, I'll take as many business classes as possible). </p>

<p>I've narrowed it down to these two and from what I read about Michigan, I'm leaning towards it. I've never visited but I'll be visiting in a couple of weeks, same with Carnegie Mellon.</p>

<p>To me, prestige isn't really important. I'm out to get a great engineering and business education that I'll be able to use to start a tech business a few years after I graduate. My dad, an MIT grad, believes that Michigan is a great school and that I should go to Michigan. My mom, on the other hand, believes that Carnegie Mellon is more prestigious in international circles and that the brand-name would take me a little further (even as an entrepreneur and she references the success of my dad and his big-name degree). Thoughts on this? Remember, I'm not really that big into prestige, but it seems my mom is, and I don't want her to be unhappy. </p>

<p>What do you guys recommend in terms of these two schools? Any alums of both or anyone have experience with both? </p>

<p>Haha, Alexandre, a post from you would be awesome, thanks in advance dawg.</p>

<p>You'll get one soon from Alexandre about international reputation. Go to Michigan. You'll have much more fun during your four years in Ann Arbor. CMU and Michigan are peers.</p>

<p>there's probably no school out there with a greater overlap of engineering applicants than Michigan and CMU. No one can tell you which is better, what made me pick Michigan over CMU is that I didn't like the very technical reputation of CMU, and preferred the wellrounded reputation of Michigan. People will tell you Ann Arbor is better than Pittsburgh and all, but I actually thought that Pittsburgh was pretty nice. Everything at CMU, everything about it is very engineering/brainy, most of the people I met on the tour were the same way. I don't think I would have been the well-rounded person I am today if I went to CMU, this point was very clear to me after I visited both schools.</p>

<p>Well, I'd put to cards in a bag and randomly select. </p>

<p>Hey, you can't lose either way!!!!!!!!</p>

<p>Good job.</p>

<p>I am affraid I cannot help you toomuchpressure. Your mothers feelings obviously mean more to you than your MIT-educated father's opinion or your own wishes. Mom knows best I suppose.</p>

<p>^^Does your mom not realize that your happiness is more important than any ranking or prestige? Do it for yourself, not for your mom.</p>

<p>Though I want my mom to be happy, I'm not going to do what she says if I'm not happy with it. She isn't pushing it it to the point that its crazy or anything. Also, she does want me to be happy, so I'm not worried about that. </p>

<p>I also have a feeling that I won't be happy at Carnegie Mellon do to the extremely "nerdy" culture. </p>

<p>I'm visiting both soon, as I've said, so I'll just go to wherever I like better. The good things I'm hearing about Michigan by people like Alexandre and bearcats are pushing me towards it. You guys do a great job of marketing your school haha</p>

<p>wow, this decision must be so hard for you... Both Car and Michigan offer excellent academic atmosphere. I am an anternational student so I can tell you that Michigan definitely enjoys great prestige~~~ Car is also such a nice school too. maybe you can set you preference and check which school meets more demand. When I choose Michigan over Rice and NYU, I set the following:
(1) offer great econ, math, business, psy education winner: NYU and Michigan (better)
(2) location: north America Winner: NYU and Michigan
These two criteria totally rule out Rice
I wanna do business major in the future so I check some websites and consult my friends. At last I find out Michigan offers better business program and great network. McKinsey has only 6 core colleges to recruit employees and Michigan is one of them. You can list all the pros and cons of every college~~~ Good luck with you visit~~~</p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon and Michigan are both excellent universities. I am not sure why your mother feels that Carnegie Mellon is better than Michigan. I would assume she would at least take your father's word. The man is an MIT engineer afterall. Well, he can't help it I suppose, 2 of MIT's last 4 presidents (Wiesner and Vest) were Wolverines. Those two men led MIT for 23 of the last 38 years. </p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Wiesner%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Wiesner&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Marstiller_Vest%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Marstiller_Vest&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>My friends at MIT always had a profound respect for Michigan because their president (Vest) made it known that he was a Wolverine!</p>

<p>In terms of reputation, Michigan and CMU are pretty equal. Overall, Michigan tends to have a slightly stronger reputation, primarily because it is so strong across so many disciplines. In Engineering, both schools carry a lot of weight. Internationally, Michigan has a stronger overall reputation. Again, among Engineers, CMU is well regarded, certainly on par with Michigan. The only field in which CMU is more highly regarded than Michigan is Computer Science. In CS, CMU is on par with Cal, MIT and Stanford. </p>

<p>I have a feeling your mother wants you to go to CMU because it is smaller and she feels you will be more well taken care of there. Parents always fear for their children and a smaller school is less threatning. </p>

<p>Personally, I would recommend you attend the school you prefer. Your mother will get over it and your father seems to favor Michigan. </p>

<p>Go Blue!</p>

<p>Yeah, Alexandre, you're right. She wants me to go to CMU because its small and she thinks that I'll be more "sheltered" there I think (if you know what I'm saying). </p>

<p>Your words only confirm what I already thought. Thanks. I think i'll be a wolverine next year.</p>

<p>actually if you want to double major in business and engineering, it's easier to do that at CMU because tepper is a quant based and 2 year business program. Doing so at a 3 year qualitative program like ross would end up taking 6 years (according to my program advisor, and that is with IOE with so many overlapping courses).</p>

<p>Five at the most ... and it's been before.</p>

<p>five if you have AP credits. We sat down and did the audit together, well technically it would take a person 5 and a half year but since fresh hires start in the fall you wont work until the year after. So technically you are in school for 6 years.</p>

<p>The person who did it was an international (no AP credits). He did that at the last year before they changed the program to 3-years. He had to get special permission to do the dual programs (BBA for his parents and Computer Engineering for his own gratification). He graduated from Ross with honor (what's that orange string around your neck?).</p>

<p>Some students can carry more than 15 credits a term.</p>

<p>I think the best deal is the Engineering Global Leadership Honors Program (Michigan</a> Engineering | EGL Home)</p>

<p>"The Engineering Global Leadership Honors Program (EGL) combines a traditional engineering undergraduate curriculum with a core of courses in the Ross School of Business and a cultural core in the College of Literature, Science and Arts. The EGL Honors Program leads to a Bachelor's and Master's degree in engineering."</p>

<p>"He did that at the last year before they changed the program to 3-years"
that's the huge difference. I have a lot of AP credits coming in. And the IOE advisor and I did the audit together and even if i take 17 credits per semester, it would have taken me 4 and a half year, and I have more than a semester worth of applicable AP credits coming in</p>

<p>The BBA requirements are the same as before, just spread out over 3 years so you have more room to pursue other interests ... aren't they?</p>

<p>4 and a half year + one semester = 5 years ... right? So you can do it too.</p>

<p>p.s. He did it in the year when the two programs overlaped.</p>

<p>It is possible for IOEs to do it in 5 years if you crunch 17 credits every semesters with the new tech elective guidelines.</p>

<p>For other engineering majors, it's a nono. Definitely more than 5 because not that many business classes can double count</p>

<p>bearcats,
What's your opinion on the EGL program? Would that be a viable alternative to getting a MDDP in engineering and business?</p>

<p>I would think that the EGL grads are highly marketable.</p>

<p>I don't think I want to stay in school for 6 years to get the double degrees. Getting the double major on paper isn't that important to me, I just want to take as many business classes as possible (in the areas of my interest), so I can learn business. I'm not going for job placement or something like that, like most people. </p>

<p>Also, in case you guys could advise me on time based on the APs i've taken or will take (predicted scores or scores already received):</p>

<p>Math and Science (which are the only important one's im guessing for engineering and business)</p>

<p>Calc BC: 5 (predicted)
Chemistry: 5
Biology: 1 (predicted) - there's no way in hell i'm studying for this thing i don't even know why i took the class in the first place
Physics C Mechnics: 4/5 (predicted
Physics C E&M: 5 (predicted</p>

<p>Humanities:
Spanish Lang 5
Spanish Lit: 5 (predicted)
English Lang: 5
English Lit: 5 (predicted)
AP US history: 5</p>