<p>You won't receive an LOA if everything is complete, it will be an appointment. The latest is April 15 (not sure on the number date) or some I heard can be given out a feel days before I day.</p>
<p>NavyMom2B:</p>
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If he was triple qualified with no LOA but now has one nomination so far, that would be enough to get him in, right? But I guess it just depends on how strong of a candidate he is.
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<p>You are correct in that a candidate, if triple q'd, needs only nomination, however that still does not guarentee an offer of appointment. I would have to agree that you need to be a strong candidate.</p>
<p>The USNA admissions site posted the following for the class of 2009:</p>
<p>Applicants (includes nominees) 11,259
Number of applicants with an official nomination 4,320
Nominees qualified scholastically, medically and in physical aptitude 1,812
Offers of admission 1,503
Admitted 1,220 </p>
<p>It would appear that at least 300 or so (triple q'd and with nom's) did not get offers- what the academy does not post is whether or not these 300 are the ones that get referred to NAPS or foundation (although we were told last year that 600 names were referred to foundation- I do not know how many were referred to NAPS- I do know that out of the 600 who were referred to the foundation porgram, 80 were offered a sponsorship and seat in the class of 2010 (in our son's case, triple-q'd and with nomination). </p>
<p>Hornetguy
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Hum, my senators and congressman's offices were more than willing to divulge what they used. Which, all of them used unranked. lol
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<p>Seems like Texas is a bit more open then NY- nevertheless, not sure what is up with the lol- </p>
<p>As for NY, last year each of the 2 senators and at least our MOC did something different- and some even did different rankings depending on which academy they were submitting to (for example, one MOC used an unranked slate for USNA, but a primary candidate/unranked alternative list for USMMA)- (which would stand to reason, considering the candidates in 2009 were interveiwed by different boards- even in the same MOC office- when interviewing for multiple academies)....the bottom line remains that you need one nomination, regardless of source- if your MOC happens to use an unranked slate so much the better- but even what they tell you may not always be the case- unfortunatly, here is where politics can go amuck. </p>
<p>The bottom line is that this is not in the candidate's control....other than to put their very best effort on the table and trust that the admissions boards, and nominating committies, know what they're doing- they've been at it a lot longer than all of us folk!</p>
<p>jq722: hang in there- having a competed file the week before the holiday break will probably delay things a bit, and no doubt the USNA is getting hit with applications in time for the January deadline. Not everyone gets LOA's- (they are used in place of EA/ED early on)- while you still may receive an LOA, it is more likely you will hear directly about an offer of apppointment at this point, especially with the MOC nomination cycles reaching their close. I know it is hard waiting, but be patient- the USNA, at least last year, was the slowest of the academies to get their admissions decisions out.</p>
<p>question... if you recieve an LOA but do not recieve a congressional nomination, does that mean you're absolutely out? a friend of mine got a LOA but no nomination.... he is an athlete and has been told there are "alternate sources" of nomination available to him because he's an athlete.. is this true?</p>
<p>He can get a senate nomination... there are only 4 types of nominations- representative, senate, VP, and presidential noms (right?). athletes don't get any special treatment. according to the 2009 class profile, 91% of the class was a varsity athlete.</p>
<p>I think he meant both senate and house by saying congressional nomination. If you aren't eligible for Presidential, you might give a shot for VP if the deadline isn't over but I heard that it is very very competitive. Otherwise, I believe the Academy does not give special treatment or further consideration to qualified candidates who do not receive nomination as Air Force Academy does. Is he still waiting for a nomination or was he denied nomination by all of his congressional sources?</p>
<p>USNA Supe also awards a number of appointments (I think they normally go to athletes.) The bottom line is, if you are a strong candidate, the academy will find you an appointment.</p>
<p>It is our understanding many of the Supe appts go to those at NAPS and in the foundation programs, amongst others, for candidates who, after being selected for the programs and sloted for a seat in the following class, are unable, for some reason, to obtain a nom for the following year, which is required. I would have to agree that if the academy wants you, they will find a way.</p>
<p>They find them for athletes.</p>
<p>Not all. Some maybe, but definately not all. And if you add up all the recruits for all the varsity sports, male and female, there are not enough supe noms to go around for even the top prospects for each. </p>
<p>If you want to take a chance, go for it, but the wise athlete will seek his/her own.</p>
<p>PS: congrats on your senator nomination, and good luck with track if you continue at USNA! Glad to see you got your own!</p>
<p>I called in and spoke with a representative from USNA today and he told me that to them any nomination is just a nomination, unless principal. But if you were to be nominated let's say, competitive alternate, it still counts to them as a nomination in their general applicant pool.</p>
<p>That was relieving...</p>
<p>I was a NAPS grad and my appointment came from Secretary of the Navy. I believe the Secretary has over 150 appointments that are given out each year.</p>
<p>My district Rep. uses the method where 1 is the principle nominee and 9 are alternates. If the principle nominee accepts his appointment offer, what happens to the 9 alternates if that is their only nomination source? I have heard that they enter into a national pool of alternates, but I don't fully understand this because that Rep. can only have 5 attendees at the Academy at 1 time.</p>
<p>Any help would be much appreciated</p>
<p>If a principal accepts you are SOL, unless you have another nom. Each MOC can only have 5 charged to them, thus if the principal accepts, and is fully qualified, the other 9 cannot receive an appt, unless it is from another pool (i.e. Pres. V.P., Sen, Sec of Defense (usually enlisted), Secretary of "X" branch, super.)<br>
Just b/c the rep does, it doesn't mean the senators do too!</p>
<p>If the principal does not accept, than the SA can chose which of the 9 they will select, if any.</p>
<p>it is actually a little different - if you are not selected from your MOC slate you will go into the National Pool with all the other kids from other states/districts not selected as the appointee from your district or senator office. From that pool your nomination is still alive and if selected from the national pool you will not be charged to your MOC. Not everyone in the National Pool gets an appointment. They are pulled from the national pool based on the needs of the service. Many times the prep school kids come from here because the kids are asked to try to get a nom from their MOC. If they succeed (which most will) they typically end up in the national pool where they obtain an appointment but are not charged as one of the five for their MOC. </p>
<p>About LOA's without a nom - technically there is no guarantee of appointment without a nomination. Those without a nom may still find their way to an academy via a supe nom, VP, Presidential, or senator.... but there is no guarantee.</p>
<p>Might be wrong, but I am pretty sure you could only get an appt. with a nomination...not willing to bet my life on it </p>
<p>Sen. and VP nom is available to everyone.... only 5 can be at the academy at any one time for any senator and the v.p.
Presidential is only for military dependents...not in the national pool...only 100 per year and only to military dependents
Sec. of Defense can only have 85 (I believe these are for active duty enlisted)
Sec of "X" branch can only have 85.
Not sure the number of super, but it is also regulated by law, I think 150..again I am not betting my life =)</p>
<p>I will only bet my life that there is a law on who and how many noms they can give out</p>
<p>Good thing you didn't bet your life. You would be dead twice. The Academy may work with the highly qualified without noms and their respective MOCs and Senators to obtain after-the-fact nominations. The Supt only has 50 noms. Just for the record, many of these go unused because there is no need to use them. Also, NAPSters and AD Enlisted will be asked to obtain nominations through their normal MOCs in lieu of the SecX route. Do the math. The selected alternate pool is quite large.</p>
<p>Never give up just because you don't have a primary nomination. Approximately one third of the class doesn't.</p>
<p>WAIS</a> Document Retrieval</p>
<p>That's the "no BS" gouge on the nominations. Title X governs appointments.</p>
<p>Good reading - if you really want to know how it's divided.</p>
<p>500 Mids at USNA from US Senators at any one time - roughly 125 per year
2175 Mids from Congressional noms at any one time - roughly 544 per year
5 from the VP at any one time
5 from DC
3 from the Virgin Islands
6 from Puerto Rico
3 from Guam
2 from American Samoa
1 from the Northern Marianas</p>
<p>Each year, the following noms can be granted:</p>
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<li> 100 from the President for military dependents (children of active duty members and reservists with enough drill points as well)</li>
<li> 85 Sec Nav noms from the Navy and Marine Corps reserves</li>
<li> 85 Sec Nav noms from the Navy and Marine Corps active ranks</li>
<li> 150 Sec Nav noms from qualified alternates from MOC's
Unlimited children of Medal of Honor winners by the President (not a lot of those)</li>
<li> 50 from the Supe</li>
<li> 20 from JROTC/ROTC</li>
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<p>If you add them all up it comes to roughly 1200 (a little less, actually) per year. Remember that as people resign from USNA or are separated, the number available for each year is higher. USNA offers appointments to around 1500 per year, and about 1250 per year accept and are admitted with each class.</p>
<p>On alternates:</p>
<p>WAIS</a> Document Retrieval</p>
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If it is determined that, upon the admission of a new class to
the Academy, the number of midshipmen at the Academy will be below the
authorized number, the Secretary may fill the vacancies by nominating
additional midshipmen from qualified candidates designated as alternates
and from other qualified candidates who competed for nomination and are
recommended and found qualified by the Academic Board. At least three-
fourths of those nominated under this subsection shall be from qualified
alternates under clauses (2) through (8) of section 6954(a) of this
title, and the remainder shall be from qualified candidates who competed
for appointment under any other provision of law. An appointment of a
nominee under this subsection is an additional appointment and is not in
place of an appointment otherwise authorized by law.
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<p>If I read the last 2 posts right, then appr. 300 are given appts from the Sec. Out of those 225 must have a nomination from someone.<br>
Where I am lost is the other 75 qualified, but did not get a nom from another source available?</p>
<p>Not exactly sure what you're asking. This is all about nominations, not appointments. Appointments are given by the President. Nominations come from the sources listed. Only the President can both nominate and appoint.</p>
<p>The Sec Nav nominates reserve sailors and Marines and up to 85 regular sailors/Marines and 85 reserve sailors/Marines can be appointed by the President. Most of those folks are at NAPS, and some of them come directly from the Fleet. The other 150 noms are alternates of MOC's, if what I read is correct. Some of those kids will be Napsters, some will be kids from competitive districts. Even Napsters apply to their MOC's, if they're on the ball.</p>