<p>so I have been nominated by my congressman. What happens if I am nominated by a senator? Increase my chances? Ok so I am all qualified and ready to go with a nomination. So now how many kids am I competing with for an appt?</p>
<p>Thanks,
David</p>
<p>First off, congratulations, David on your congressman's nomination. It seems that different States have some variances in the nomination processes, especially as they work between Senators and Congressman's offices. Here in California the Senators try very hard to NOT duplicate any names - to increase the chances for as many young people as possible to be considered by the Academies. I suspect folk from Michigan who have gone through this will have to weigh in to answer your question specifically. </p>
<p>As to whether or not a Senator's nomination "increases' your chances...this too seems debateable. The issue is whether or not your Senator or Congressman ranks their nominees. If yours do - then if you are ranked #1 - your shot is increased simply because it makes USNA Admissions to give you the slot as pre-selected by the MOC. However, if you are not ranked - then USNA puts you into their competitve pool and your chances are as equal as the others your MOC puts into consideration.</p>
<p>So you are asking for specifics that may not be all that easy to determine with precision.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know , it's mind-wracking nervousness. Hang in there. God Speed!</p>
<p>I would ditto that post. It clearly doesn't hurt to have multiple noms b/c it tells USNA that several MOCs thought you were among the 10 most impressive candidates. However, if you're a highly qualified candidate, one nom can be enough (and usually is).</p>
<p>I will say that getting an MOC nom helps if you already have a Presidential. Presidential noms aren't really "competitive." Thus, getting an MOC nom on top of a Presidential shows USNA that you are highly competitive among folks in your geographic area.</p>
<p>To get an appointment, the goal is to be in the MOC's top 10 list. In this case, I really don't think it increases your chances because the senator's nomination is more competitive than the congressman's (the entire state...unless it is RI maybe)...so if the Academy does not choose you for the senators nom, you got the congressman's and you are back at square one; if they choose you for senator's nom, then your congressman's nom goes away. As peskemom explained, that would really be the only way to have your chances increased. The benefit comes from having multiple nominations, therefore if a senator and congressman nominate you, they have 2 chances to pick you.</p>
<p>One kid in California was told by one of our senators, "We give to the needy, not the greedy" (he already had a pres. nom.) :eek:. So, Peskemom is very correct about the state of California. </p>
<p>I think the senatorial response could have been worded in a little bit more friendly manner, though.</p>
<p>My son has a pres. nom., but just finished interviewing for a MOC. He's just hoping to make the top ten. Competition is brutal (ALL great kids).</p>
<p>nurseypoo- that "greedy/needy" quote was actually OUR story last year - we did not have a pres.nom by the way.....so my question to you is....did this happen AGAIN?</p>
<p>Question - son received a nomination from our MOC - has not heard yet about the Senators noms. What I am trying to understand - if our MOC does not rank and so submits a list of 10 - then is the USNA only allowed to offer an appt to one of the nominees on that list of 10?? If so, then getting another nomination from a senator, would actually help alot?</p>
<p>USNA has to offer an appt to AT LEAST one nominee on their list of unranked 10. If they do rank they have to offer it to the first, second, third, etc. I would say that getting more than one is a fairly good thing. If you rank top 10 in two pools, one significantly larger than the other, isn't that something to be looked favorably upon?</p>
<p>I got a senator (unranked) nomination and a represententative (ranked #2) nomination. I dind't fcall and asked if this helped, but my BGO said it was really good.</p>
<p>ohiomom88
USNA slots 5 spots per congressman for 4 years. This means some years there are more slots per congressman, depending on how his individual cycle works. It is that slot that the "one of 10" comes from. However - once a candidate has any kind of nomination it is up to USNA to determine the final pool of applicants to offer an Appointment. USNA offers roughly 1500 Appointments to fill their 1200 sized class and they do not all come from the MOC nomination.</p>
<p>For so many of you hopeful families of 2011- just continue to do your best to follow all the steps requested of you .....the application, the physical, the nomination are all steps along the way - but the end result is some of you will receive Appointments and some of you will not. I wish I had a magic wand and could control this for all of you - but even USNA admits that with every class they could easily dismiss every single Appointment for the Class being considered and still fill their Class with 1200 other equally qualified young people.</p>
<p>I have received the following nomination. Is the number 2 that follows the Congress/Senator significant of a ranking or is it because it is the second nomination?</p>
<p>Nomination Source State District Date Received
Congress/Senator 2 LA 06-DEC-2006
Presidential 26-JUL-2006 </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>peskemom-</p>
<p>Yes. The boy knows this other young man from the LA area. Went to NASS and Boy's State with him. He has a pres. nom. and was told that very same thing when he called about senatorial nominations. My son decided not to go that route because of it. That's kind of rude, I'm thinking.</p>
<p>wow, nurseypoo....I was willing to give the guy a pass at the Senator's office, thinking he was having a bad day....but to know this happened again and another year.....oh well...Thank God HE isn't in charge of our kid's USNA acceptances!</p>
<p>I wanted to clarify the following a little bit.</p>
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<p>The Academy is not obligated to take the MOCs 1st choice or any choice. No matter how prized you are by the MOC, you have to be totally qualified by the Academies standards. They could reject all 10 of a MOCs choices, if they all had problems.</p>
<p>Saying that though, I doubt they very often turn down everyone out of a group of 10.</p>
<p>By the way, a lot of people have been saying MOC and Senator, like they are different. My way of looking at it is Senators and Representatives (sometimes called Congressman) are all "Members of Congress.</p>
<p>Nit Picky, I know, but most of the literature that says contact your MOC means all three.</p>
<p>And to mdlrc, are you sure they're in that order? Because if LA is Louisianna, 2 is probably the 2nd Congressional District (if that's where you live). See the first line, where it says ....State District...?</p>
<p>Hey, I figured a different way to look at this whole Nomination/Appointment question.</p>
<p>Class of 2010 Stats.</p>
<p>number of applicants with an official nomination: 3751</p>
<p>Nominees triple Qed: 1888</p>
<p>offers of admission: 1510</p>
<p>Admitted 1215</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/%5B/url%5D">http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/</a> Click on Class of 2010 Profile.</p>
<p>So, long story short about 40% of people with nominations, all sources, get an offer. A lot better than 1 in 10 odds. :cool:</p>
<p>These are helpful #'s Cougar...when I keep saying about 2000 nominees are considered by USNA, that really means the QQQ's nominees - which you clarify - so I hope that helps others.</p>
<p>Tripled Q'd means that you have recieved the big three, however because eyesight waivers are only given on offers of admission, wouldn't that make those nominees who are tripled Q'd lower than the number who are actually competing, since they would not be medically qualified until the final step.</p>
<p>ummm...huh?^^^^</p>
<p>For example, I have recieved a scholastically qualified letter, however I most likely will not recieve a triple QQQ'd letter because of my eyesight, as I have passed the physical with flying colors and already have a nomination. I also remember hearing that eyesight waivers are not given out before an admission decision is made, but rather in cohesion with the decision to admit a candidate. Am I correct in this?</p>
<p>This I am guessing places myself somewhere between the 2900 who recieve scholastic qualification and those 1900 who are QQQ'd.</p>
<p>i'm in the same boat as you RKavanaugh.</p>
<p>"eyesight waivers are not given out before an admission decision is made, but rather in cohesion with the decision to admit"</p>
<p>Does anyone know if this is fact?</p>