The Rank of a Nomination

Colleges and Universities A-Z Naval Academy - Annapolis
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<p>Finally my nomination from my senator has been uploaded on the site. It says </p>

<p>Nomination Source..............State.........District........Date Received</p>

<p>Congress/Senator 1..............XX.............Blank.........21-DEC-2005</p>

<p>My question is whether that "1" means I am the first ranked. My Senator does not use principal nominee but rather submits an entire list of the candidates ranked in order. Does this "1" mean I am the highest on the list? What does it say for others who also have a nomination?</p>

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<p>Why not call the congresscritter and ask them?</p>

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<p>This is what it says for me, I have no idea what it means. </p>

<p>I'd call and ask, but I can never get through.</p>

<p>Nomination Source State District Date Received
Congress/Senator 2 NJ 23-DEC-2005
Congress/Representative NJ 07 21-DEC-2005</p>

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<p>I would guess that the 'Senator 1' or 'Senator 2" is just that....just saying which senator from your state (#1 or #2) gave you the nomination.</p>

<p>It likely doesn't matter where you placed on your Senator's nomination list. Unless he/she designates a primary candidate, it is all up to the USNA admissions folks to decide who on the list gets appointments. Of course if all the folks on your state's MOC lists are superstars and qualified in all respects for appointments...it would probably make a difference then!</p>

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<p>Yeah, that's what I was thinking.</p>

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<p>I'm pretty sure it is which Senator nominated you, because mine says Senator 2, and the one who nominated me was the 2nd of the two to get into office.</p>

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<p>LOL!</p>

<p>There you have it, folks! It's not WHO nominated you that's important! It's WHO GOT IN FIRST!</p>

<p>LOL!</p>

<p>GOD, I HATE politicians! It's always about THEM!</p>

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<p>As it was explained to us from the USNA admissions information session:</p>

<p>MOC can use one of 3 options when submitting their slates: Ranked (1 to 10), Primary/Unranked (meaning they list primary candidate, the rest are unranked), or Unranked.</p>

<p>In the case of Ranked, the admissions board must consider the candidates listed in the order they are submitted- meaning, if candidate #1 is qualified for admission, they get the offer first. If they are not qualified, or decline, the second candidate is considered, and so on, in order, until a qualified candidate is reached, abet if there one deemed qualified from the list of 10. </p>

<p>Primary/Unranked: admissions board considers the primary candidate first; if qualified, admission is offered- if not, the admissions board is free to choose amongst the remaining 9 on the slate in no particular order.</p>

<p>Unranked: 10 names are sumbitted; the admissions board is free to choose amongst them. (It stands to reason the academies prefer this one).</p>

<p>Most MOC will not tell you what ranking system they use, let alone where you stand on it (at least ours did not last year, this year we didn't even ask)</p>

<p>All you can do is make your best effort with all aspects of the admission process, including the nomination process and interviews- the rest is not in your control. Sometimes you have to trust that the system, which has been in existance for a long time, works and that the admissions board will ferret out who they want for the upcoming class. Lots of good students will get an offer- lots of great students will not. As our son said, "one of the lucky few of the deserving many"....how true! </p>

<p>Best of luck to all of you- this is a difficult time for all waiting to hear, but there is still lots of waiting time ahead! Stay focused on what is in your control- those academics!</p>

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<p>To differentiate between senators, the senior Senator is usually designated #1, and the junior Senator #2. That way there is no need to list the Senator's name. The Representative is indicated by the District number only.
CM</p>

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<p>Hum, my senators and congressman's offices were more than willing to divulge what they used. Which, all of them used unranked. lol.</p>

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<p>Authoritative Source: 2005 Congressional Guide - Admissions to the United States Service Academies -</p>

<p>Competitive Nomination
This is the method of nomination favored by the
academies and used by most Members of Congress
(approximately 70-75 percent). The Member of
Congress submits to an academy an unranked slate of
up to ten nominees for each vacancy. The candidates
are then ranked in order of merit in accordance with
the specific academy system. The most highly qualified
is selected for an offer of admission (an appointment)
to fill the vacancy. If the Member has more than one
vacancy, ten nominees may be submitted for each
vacancy (two vacancies: 20 unranked nominees,
three vacancies: 30 nominees, etc.). The academy
then selects the best of the qualified nominees to fill
each of the available vacancies. Again, it is strongly
encouraged that members nominate as many young
men and women as possible for each vacancy, as it
enhances the quality of the candidate pool.</p>

<p>Principal with Competing Alternates
This method provides for designation of a principal
nominee by the Member of Congress. The other nine
unranked nominees are submitted to the academy for
evaluation and compete as alternates. If the principal
is fully qualified (academics, medical and physical
aptitude), he or she will be appointed and will fill
the vacancy. Note that this method does not take
into account the quality of the other nominees if the
principal nominee is fully qualified. On the other hand,
if the principal does not qualify, the alternates then
compete for the vacancy. Selection at this point is based
on merit as determined by the evaluation and ranking of
the alternates by the service academy.</p>

<p>Principal with Numbered Alternates
Under this method, the principal nominee is
designated and the alternate nominees are ranked in
order of preference by the Member of Congress. If
fully qualified, the principal nominee receives the
appointment to fill the vacancy. If the principal nominee
does not qualify, then the first alternate is considered
for the appointment and so on. In effect, the highest
designated nominee who is fully qualified for entrance
is appointed to fill the vacancy.</p>

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<p>What happens in the case that a person with an LOA is in the nomination pool? Do they automatically get it, kicking everyone else out no matter if they are ranked first for the MOC or not? What if there are more than one LOAs in the pool, but only one spot. I know they automatically get in, but doesn't that give an MOC too many people in the Academy?</p>

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<p>LOAs don't count against the number of candidates a senator can have appointed.</p>

<p>At least I think it works that way.</p>

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<p>I've heard that candidates with LOA's are usually not the principle nominee since if they basically get a simple nomination, they are accepted, granted that they qualified medically and physically. So, by doing this, there can be more candidates accepted from a district from the MOC, maximizing the success rate.</p>

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<p>Our candidate info says Senator 1, also. I took that to mean that he only has one senatorial nomination, but this senator IS the senior senator of the two.
So how long will it be now? I figure it will be after Jan 21 when the noms have to be in. I hope he doesn't have to wait until the last minute.
If he was triple qualified with no LOA but now has one nomination so far, that would be enough to get him in, right? But I guess it just depends on how strong of a candidate he is.
Didn't someone post that most candidates are in the same boat as we are--no LOA? I thought I saw here that only about 15% have a LOA.</p>

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<p>We keep hearing from several sources that USNA only issues 200 LOA's a year. So out of 12,000 applications that's a pretty low percentage. Our daughter went to the Nov. CWV and the Admissions people finally told the parents present who kept asking about an LOA that they simply "don't come that often and to stop expecting one.". </p>

<p>We also attended a Holiday Reception this past week down at Broadway pier in San Diego for hopeful Candidates and to our knowlege, our daughter was the only one there with an LOA.</p>

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<p>I have also heard that there are only 200 LOA's each year. I attended the Holiday Reception too and my BGO said there were 4 people- one with an appointment and 3 with LOAs. Not sure though, the wife of another BGO said my appoinment was the only she heard of (and peskemom's daughter LOA is the only other I know of) ...</p>

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<p>SparkleandShine - I'm sorry we missed you there! I should have remembered to look for your name! I think your BGO may have been talking about all of San Diego - 'cause not everyone was there who had their LOA's to our knowledge.</p>

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<p>I would expect that any state would have less LOA's than ~20-30% of your state's electoral votes. At this point in the cycle, probably much less than 20%.</p>

<p>Just a thought...</p>

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<p>when's the latest loa's can come? I know marines4me received one in feb last year and someone on this board received on dec 22 of this year. Id like to know because my file was oficially completed on December 21st. I received an appt. from usma but have heard nothing from usna....not even a cvw invitation or a 3q letter. I really think I would be in the running for one, as my application is pretty solid. Also Everything is in and done; medical, nomination, and application material.</p>