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<p>All this is so subjective.....Bescraze I am from FL and I would say Penn and Berkeley are about the same...although I had heard more of Berkeley's prestige just through TV and such..... but the only schools to have the very tip top academic reps in the US for UG are HYPMS... that its. Then there are many schools that are respected across the country that also have some very strong regional prestige.</p>

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<p>i have to agree with swimguy and Phead... Berkeley has a really good name recognition despite its US News Ranking. A lot more people have heard of berkeley up here than U Penn thats for sure. I have a feeling its the same in the States. Then again, why does that matter. Both are great and U Penn is better atleast for undergrad.</p>

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<p>So funny - in my world Berkeley isn't known at all. Its all about HYPSM, Dartmouth, Williams, Penn, Amherst, Brown, Columbia, Duke, and a couple others. I think the Northeast in general is shifted this way. Cal is seen as a big research school - great for grad school - and good, but not close to Ivy level, for undergrad.</p>

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<p>And all those bright folks have done a wonderful job of ruining the economy. Thanks Northeast Ivy clowns. Enjoy your massive layoffs. What sort of goofy get rich quick scheme are they cooking up next? I'll be sure to run the other direction. In the rest of the country people actually invent and produce useful things. People often from Stanford and Berkeley.</p>

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So funny - in my world Berkeley isn't known at all. Its all about HYPSM, Dartmouth, Williams, Penn, Amherst, Brown, Columbia, Duke, and a couple others. I think the Northeast in general is shifted this way. Cal is seen as a big research school - great for grad school - and good, but not close to Ivy level, for undergrad.

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I would add in Stanford and that about sums it up.</p>

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<p>^ Clearly, you don't read ppl's post Bescraze. ;-)</p>

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In your "world" if Berkeley isn't known at all, you certainly talk a lot about it. :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>Phead no reason to get angry, because I don't agree with you. It doesn't mean I don't read other posts it means, I disagree with them :).</p>

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For undergrad Penn is definitely more prestigious for people who need to know, I wouldn't even want to talk to someone, let alone have any relationship with a person who didn't know Penn. I have never met an educated person, who thought "penn state."

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<p>You're not at all influenced by your mother having gone to Penn, Bescraze. @@</p>

<p>I grew up in Philly. I heart Penn big-time. Penn and Princeton were the definition of elite universities to me. But that's a function of where I lived. It's not true everywhere. Why don't you get that?</p>

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<p>Berkeley is more well known than UPenn because of its academics (#3 in the Academic Ranking of World Universities and #2 in NRC overall quality ranking. Penn's are in the teens-not that big a difference.)</p>

<p>In terms of pure academic excellence (across most fields), the top ten powerhouses in alphabetical order are:</p>

<p>Berkeley
Caltech
Chicago
Columbia
Cornell
Harvard
Michigan
MIT
Stanford
Yale</p>

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<p>Take out Columbia or Caltech and replace with JHU, then that list is about right.</p>

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Take out Columbia or Caltech and replace with JHU, then that list is about right.

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good joke</p>

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Berkeley is more well known than UPenn because of its academics (#3 in the Academic Ranking of World Universities and #2 in NRC overall quality ranking. Penn's are in the teens-not that big a difference.)

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Yea, but academic rankings don't mean that much at all for these schools. If your learning poly sci at penn (lower ranked) or Michigan (higher ranked), your still learning the same material and your experience will not be any different. I mean you are learning identical things. What will be different is the class size, the strength of your classmates...ect. So department rankings are really overrated, since for most of these schools what you major is totally unrelated to what you will do for employment (grad school obviously much more important in department ranking)...I mean most ivy league students major in something totally unrelated to their future job, but its the prestige of the school and the overrall educational experience it provides that is what counts. Thats one reason state schools do so poorly in undergraduate rankings,</p>

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<p>It depends on the Ivy League school, major, and field of employment. The right combination can give you an edge especially in the beginning of your career. However, an engineering degree from most ivies (except for Cornell) will give you no advantage. Also, keep in mind that the "lower" ivies are not more prestigious than certain public schools even in the Northeast.</p>

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<p>NYU should be at number 1 if my opinions were the real college rankings. :P</p>

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Also, keep in mind that the "lower" ivies are not more prestigious than certain public schools even in the Northeast.

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<p>There is not one public school in the country that is more prestigious to employers than any of the Ivies, let alone in the Northeast.....Some people make the case for Berkeley, which I doubt, but in the NE exspecially there is nothing...</p>

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<p>Academic Ranking of World Univ. 2008 </p>

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<p>Academic Ranking of World Univ. 2008 is out!!
Shanghai Jiao Tong University published its ranking of world Top 500 universities on 15/8/2008.
Harvard is again the No. 1 in the world, ANU ranked 59 in the world & No. 1 in Australia.</p>

<p>1 Harvard Univ
2 Stanford Univ
3 Univ California - Berkeley
4 Univ Cambridge
5 Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
6 California Inst Tech
7 Columbia Univ
8 Princeton Univ
9 Univ Chicago
10 Univ Oxford
11 Yale U
12 Cornell U
13 U California - Los Angeles
14 U California - San Diego
15 U Pennsylvania
16 U Washington - Seattle
17 U Wisconsin - Madison
18 U California - San Francisco
19 Tokyo U
20 Johns Hopkins U</p>

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<p>You are entitled to your opinion, of course. But those who want more objective data might want to check out the Employer Review section of the THES ratings, for example.</p>

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<p>"In terms of pure academic excellence (across most fields), the top ten powerhouses in alphabetical order are:</p>

<p>Berkeley
Caltech
Chicago
Columbia
Cornell
Harvard
Michigan
MIT
Stanford
Yale"</p>

<p>Where is Princeton on that list. How is Caltech or Yale, for example, more excellent than Princeton in most fields?</p>

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<p>apple,</p>

<p>Yeah, I should replace Caltech with Princeton in that T10 list. Caltech is excellent, but it has too few programs of study compared to the rest.</p>