The Rock -- Simon's Rock, that is (The Early College)

<p>(Posted here instead of hijacking another thread)</p>

<p>My son is attending Simon's Rock; he started there in August after having completed two years of high school.</p>

<p>On another thread, Kelowna asked me:

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Can you share more about the school, his experience, living there (dorms, food).
Do you have to pay tuition? How much? How difficult was the application process?

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<p>Answers are: yes, yes, lots, and depends on which part of the application process we're talking about. :D</p>

<p>The school</p>

<p>Simon's Rock, which started life in the mid-60s as a small independent school is now part of Bard. It is the only college in the country which serves its population exclusively: kids starting college early. The average age of the incoming freshman class is 16. Most of the students at the school have not graduated from high school when they start Simon's Rock. Students (referred to as Rockers) usually start at Simon's Rock after their sophomore or junior year of high school. </p>

<p>It is a small LAC, with ~ 450 students; it has a high acceptance rate, as the population which applies is self-selecting. The school's 245-acre campus is nestled in the Berkshires of western Massachusetts; it's quite pretty. (The lake near the college entrance: <a href="http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/owlice1/Simons%20Rock/PA090106.jpg%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/owlice1/Simons%20Rock/PA090106.jpg&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p>

<p>About half the sophomores transfer out each year, having earned an associate's degree from SR. Students transfer out for myriad reasons; the school is expensive, doesn't offer everything, and is rural. Some kids leave for financial reasons, others to get a particular major, and still others to move to a different environment that isn't so insular. The school offers study abroad, a 3-2 engineering program with Columbia, and other opportunities. Top five schools for transfers are Bard, Stanford, Chicago, Brown and... and... somewhere else. Cornell? Reed? Don't remember. </p>

<p>Living there</p>

<p>Freshmen live in freshman dorms; there are three of them, one all boys, one all girls, and the third co-ed. These dorms are close to what one might consider the center of campus: the dining hall. :) My son's room -- he's in a double -- is tiny.</p>

<p>My Owlet is a pescetarian -- eats no animal flesh except seafood (because he likes sushi, so didn't give that up when he gave up other meats!) -- and complains about the cafeteria food, though I think it's actually okay. He probably gets a lot of pasta, pizza, salad, and gets tired of it. He has supplemental food, and I know this because we went grocery shopping when I was there for Family Weekend, and spent more on his groceries than I do on mine!</p>

<p>The school is a mile-and-a-half from downtown Great Barrington, which is a charming little place with a movie theater, bowling alley, shops and restaurants. Also an orthodontist, which I learned when my kid's retainers ($800 worth of retainers) were thrown out, so he tells me, when a friend was helping him clean his room. (Maybe wrapping them in tissues and plopping the wad on his desk wasn't such a great idea, hmmm?) Students mostly walk to and from town; some students have their bicycles at school, but I haven't seen any students riding up or down the hill to/from town.</p>

<p>Getting there/being there</p>

<p>Yes, we pay tuition, and lots of it! The COA is just over $53K this year; ours is probably a bit higher because of the travel costs. Owlet has some financial aid, merit and needs-based, but SR does not meet full-need and the gap is substantial (the gap itself is more than our EFC, so we pay EFC*2 + more). We are extremely grateful for the aid; it makes his attendance possible.</p>

<p>The school has a scholarship program called AEP; applications for the school have to be in by February 1 to be considered for this program. The regular deadline for apps is quite late, during the summer. Students have to write two or three essays for the application, and parents have to write FOUR! How unfair is THAT?!! :D The Owlet's dad and I were on the phone and emailed back and forth a LOT for these essays, as all the parental ones were joint projects. That part of the application process was painful!! (Our essays were fabulous, though, I'm sure of it! ;))</p>

<p>My son had to ask several teachers for recommendations; he needed three. It's not common for a sophomore to be asking for college recs, and two teachers turned him down. He did find two in his high school who would write recs, and then also asked the instructor from his most recent CTY session to write one. The CTY instructor was the only one of the three who had had him in a class that offered college-level material; she was very enthusiastic about writing the rec. (We did not see any of the recommendations.)</p>

<p>Owlet had already had a personal interview with the school during the Discovery Day we attended (covered in this post: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1061785369-post160.html);%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1061785369-post160.html);&lt;/a> personal interviews are required of all applicants (though I imagine some of these must be by phone). </p>

<p>He had good stats: ended his sophomore year with a 4.0 (weighted), and his high school career with an unweighted GPA of 3.8, 2350 SAT, two decent SAT subject tests (Math 2, 770; Eng. lit, 750), math through pre-calc, three years of Latin, and three AP exams (two 5s and a 4). He made NMSF on the basis of his sophomore PSAT, and his junior year would have had him taking mostly AP courses. </p>

<p>He was very unhappy in high school his sophomore year for a number of reasons, and his dad and I were unhappy with his high school, too. (Any school year in which you are meeting with education attorneys and consultants and the ACLU is likely not to be a smooth school year!) </p>

<p>We were not going to return the Owlet to his high school under any circumstances. We looked at private schools, considered homeschooling, online courses, and the local flagship U, but felt the best alternative was Simon's Rock. The ONLY option the Owlet wanted was Simon's Rock; he was very enthusiastic about it. When he got the acceptance letter, he called me on the phone and cried, "I got into Simon's Rock but I can't go!!! I didn't get enough [merit] money!!!" He knew aid was important and was absolutely heartbroken. I still baked a cake to celebrate his acceptance. :) </p>

<p>He thinks his school is "awesome." He likes all of his professors, and all but one of his classes, the required First Year Seminar; it's fashionable to dislike the course, however, so his feelings about the course are not uncommon. Classes are small; his largest is 18 students, and that is considered a big class. Students call professors by their first names. Attendance DOES matter for freshmen, and a kid can be suspended for missing too many classes. AP exams with a score of 5 can be considered for credit up to 10 credits; both of the Owlet's 5s got him credit. </p>

<p>Despite the food, First Year Seminar, students who drink to stupidity/take drugs, the "circle jerks" (cliques), and the rural nature of the campus, he is happy there. It's not a perfect place, but he likes it, did spectacularly on his midterms, and has grown a great deal in the few months he's been there. He's in a good place. </p>

<p>But he'd better learn to call his mother regularly, dangfraznabbit, if he wants to stay there, because the lack of communication is driving me crazy!!!</p>

<p>fabulous post owl! I am beyond pleased that your owlet is happy. </p>

<p>It is naive of me to be surprised, but still the report of drinking surprises me. Who buys for a frosh on a campus where the seniors are largely under the age of 21?</p>

<p>Just to be clear, it’s not the desire to drink that surprises me, just the access.</p>

<p>Good information owlice! Sounds like owlet is in a good place for now. Believe me, I know how wonderful that can be!</p>

<p>Sounds like the admissions process has added essays for parents since I went to Simon’s Rock, back in the day, when dinosaurs roamed the earth. All’s I remember of the admissions process now is being given a prompt to write on “the wise restraints that make men free” and visiting the campus with my mother and (I think) one of my sibs. Ah, the 1970s! They gave me what amounted to a full scholarship. There were many kids from very affluent families, some with celebrity parents, but the small size, rural surroundings, and ethos of the place encouraged friendships across some significant divides. SR works very hard at racial diversity, there has always been a cadre of international students, and Westerners but there are also plenty of people who come from nearby New England/NY and just opted out of high school for one reason or another.</p>

<p>Well, since the advent of Facebook I’ve been back in touch with a lot of Simon’s Rockers. I am absolutely amazed at the diversity of interests and extraordinary success of so many alums. From my years, lots of people went into arts and entertainment, often combined with other interests. Lots of entrepreneurial types: the college has always very strongly encouraged that. Among the famous alums are Joel and Ethan Coen (the filmmakers), Eli Pariser (founder of move.org). </p>

<p>Over the years, SR has added more facilities to make sure that students with math and science, engineering get served as well. In my class there were two people who had their MDs by age 24 or so. </p>

<p>Oh, and while it’s rural, it’s roughly equidistant between Boston and NYC. About a three hour car trip, depending on traffic. A little longer to NYC. </p>

<p>Owlice, I wouldn’t worry about DS’s relative lack of communication. Our 17 yr old D who is currently a freshman (but not at SR - she decided she wanted to do the high school stuff offered here) talks with us, more or less by previous agreement, once a week, Sunday afternoons. Sometimes it’s just a brief call. Just to keep us up to date. Her way of acknowledging her appreciation for our paying the bills.</p>

<p>Owlice: Woot! Woot! Great post, great kid, great report.</p>

<p>Hi, Owlice, I’ve missed some of your threads when you were thinking out loud about this choice. (I remember early threads from when you first came on CC that made clear you might have to consider doing something quite accelerated for your son’s education.) What tipped the balance between attending Simon’s Rock versus attending (for example) Exeter or Andover?</p>

<p>Thanks Owlice!</p>

<p>Don’t know if this is of interest, but I had a roommate one year who had been at Simon’s Rock. She started at Harvard as a Freshman, at this point I don’t know how much time she spent there - I think 2 years. I always got the impression she had liked her time there. She was an interesting person - she created her own major of dance and dance history.</p>

<p>Thanks for the great update!! Glad all is going so well.</p>

<p>Thanks, all! I think I’m almost over my word quota for the year with that post; good thing it’s November!</p>

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<p>historymom, I wish I knew. Clearly, they are getting it from somewhere. </p>

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<p>tokenadult, S didn’t want to attend boarding school. College, yes; boarding school, no. Part of his rationale was the cost; he knew (I did not tell him this) that if his parents spent money on private school (day or boarding), there would be that much less available for college. He’d rather have the money spent on college. There are good private schools in the DC area, and we looked at some of them. He was not enthusiastic about them, and SR seemed a much better fit, to him, and to me. (His dad didn’t visit SR until we moved our spawn into his dorm.)</p>

<p>When I first started looking into SR, it was with an eye toward its being a possibility for spawn’s senior year of high school, because at that point, he’d have had to go on to college for math and foreign language anyway. As his unhappiness and our disappointment with his high school grew, we knew he couldn’t stay where he was, so…</p>

<p>EngProfMom, I’d be thrilled, thrilled, if my Owlet phoned me once a week! Ever would make me pretty happy, too!</p>

<p>Happy to hear things are going so well! It sounds as if he is having a great experience. He was probably ready for college-type classes (although perhaps the really good boarding schools don’t have all the busy work nonsense so many high schools seem to have).</p>

<p>…do they actually call cliques “circle jerks” there? for real?</p>

<p>Thanks for this thread. When S a junior in HS, his math teacher suggested Simon’s Rock. S applied and entered college the following year, but had this topic come up sooner, SR may have been good option. Your informative post will help others who want more infor on SR.</p>

<p>owlice</p>

<p>Just curious – the SAT - taking it as a 10th grader seems young to me. Was it decided to take because of The Rock or was he slated to take SAT anyway?</p>

<p>And – I know this is a stupid question – but, is smoking as prevalent as the Princeton Review makes it sound?</p>

<p>Longhaul, S had taken the SAT as a 7th grader and again as an 8th grader as part of CTY’s Talent Search. He decided, since it had been two whole years since he’d taken the SAT (:rolleyes:), to take it in 10th grade, too. He was really grumpy the morning of the SAT and almost skipped it; I am pretty sure he is happy he didn’t!</p>

<p>Smoking has been quite prevalent at Simon’s Rock; I don’t know that that is the case this year, though.</p>

<p>bookworm, thanks, and congrats to your son! Where is/did he go?</p>