The US news rankings are out- does anyone care?

[ucbalumnus]

@privatebanker

However, when I see the posted gpas listed one does wonder if it is the gpa for the unique two year soph/JR gpa they use. Many students gpas take a hit first and last year for various reasons. I like the approach but perhaps a bit overstated.

Most UC web sites about frosh high school stats use the UC-recalculated weighted-capped GPA unless otherwise stated. This is 10th-11th grade courses and grades, with up to 8 semesters of +1 points for honors and AP courses (as listed on UC doorways).

[privatebanker]

Thx UC. Makes sense.

[Gator88NE]

On the question of Out of state vs in-state enrollment in CA…

Based on the latest data (Fall 2016), 89% of FTIC (First time in college) students enrolled at in-state institutions. The national average of students that enroll in-state is 81%. The only state with a higher rate was Utah at 91%.

Still 11% going out of state is over 42K students (while over 45K OOS enrolled in CA schools).

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d18/tables/dt18_309.10.asp?current=yes

[gwnorth]

[quote=@cptofthehouse ]
The number of apps went down this year for UCs. So it’s not just in the NorCal area that there has been a decline.]

Certainly this wouldn’t just apply to the UCs but I have read that the number of international students is down. Not sure this impacts the number of applications, but it would seem likely.

[cptofthehouse]

@Iglooo

@Iglooo It’s pretty ridiculous to say Stanford is “much” harder to get into than the schools listed about them. They all have less than 7% acceptance rate.

In my kid’s school, every once in a while someone will be admitted to Stanford, like one in about 10 years. On the other hand, there will be at least one every year in other highly ranked schools. That, I call much harder. To rank Stanford the same as with Brown USNews is losing its credibility in my mind.

@Iglooo

@Iglooo It’s pretty ridiculous to say Stanford is “much” harder to get into than the schools listed about them. They all have less than 7% acceptance rate.

In my kid’s school, every once in a while someone will be admitted to Stanford, like one in about 10 years. On the other hand, there will be at least one every year in other highly ranked schools. That, I call much harder. To rank Stanford the same as with Brown USNews is losing its credibility in my mind.

Other things go into the ratings that we don’t see, nor do most of us care. Also, where I live , kids apply to Brown in hordes. Hardly anyone applies to Stanford. That’s the case through my area, so just mathematically applying the %s, it’s clear that accepts to Stanford are going to be minuscule whereas the numbers are higher for Brown.

I think the situation is quite different in California. Somehow, I don’t think there is that rush to apply to Brown, but Stanford is getting those apps big time

Also, some of those high rated UCs, yes, they are getting applications by the truckload in CA. You all know I’m into colleges, and I didn’t know Santa Barbara from Davis from Dan Jose or what the heck is in San Diego. You don’t get many east coast kids applying to those very highly rated UCs. There is Berkeley and LA. The rest are a combined blur. Cal State, UCs. Unbelievable that such outstanding schools so unknown on the east coast. People still call Santa Cruz the hippie school—no clue really that it’s a UC, and forget Riverside and Irvine. I just found out last year Merced is a UC and Humboldt( and I got the name way wrong) is a Cal State we have no feel about these schools that CA is lucky to have.

[theloniusmonk]

“Unbelievable that such outstanding schools so unknown on the east coast.”

If they were so unknown they wouldn’t have done so well in the rankings. If you mean unknown to the general public, sure. There are many great universities on the east coast unknown to people in CA. Most people don’t know any LACs outside Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore. They probably don’t even know what a LAC until you tell them about Pomona or CMC. HS kids may uncover LACs as they do their research.

[Iglooo]

@cptofthehouse I assure you. It is not because kids don’t apply to Stanford. They DO. They just don’t get in.

[jym626]

@cptofthehouse - Stanford gets PLENTY of applications from all over the place. They are very generous with need-based aid, and their definition of need is very generous. They don’t have a 4.8% admission rate because people don’t apply! Totally agree with @Iglooo . In contrast, the UC colleges do not give need based aid to OOS students, so less apply unless they. can be full pay (not talking about federal aid money). Here is an old article that came out when CA stopped offering the aid to OOS students https://dailybruin.com/2015/11/25/uc-to-cut-need-based-aid-for-incoming-out-of-state-students/

[thumper1]

where I live , kids apply to Brown in hordes. Hardly anyone applies to Stanford

Really? I also live in the eastern part of the U.S. My DDs high school class had roughly 200 students in it. It’s a rural high school and not particularly prestigious. Four kids in her class applied to Stanford. And two got accepted. One went to Cornell, and the other went to USC (CA) on a full ride.

No one even applied to Brown in her class so far as we know…and definitely no one matriculated there.

Actually, I am very aware of the colleges where kids from our HS get accepted. One gal (and this is true) in the class after my DD got accepted to all of the Ivies, but she chose Stanford.

Your comment about kids in the east not applying to or getting accepted to Stanford is really not true.

[jym626]

I went to HS on the east coast a very long time ago. I had classmates who attended Stanford and Brown and Pembroke (which existed as the sister school to Brown back then!)

[jym626]

Oh, and Harvey Mudd too. People on the east coast are familiar with west coast schools.