<p>Hey, this is sort of topic, but I was just curious...</p>
<p>Where do you guys get your tier information? It seems like USNWR has most places I woulod think of in the first tier. Like, most major public and private universities from most states.</p>
<p>Is there another tier system?</p>
<p>Ok, well then, I'm going to have to leave it at this.... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... </p>
<p>that's not true</p>
<p>We generally base our tiers on personal opinion and CC opinion combined. It's not exactly scientific, but it's generally pretty reliable</p>
<p>Its a virtual "tier". Just kind of what you feel are top boarding schools...lots of stuff factor in really. Prestige, endowment, matriculation, and other stuff. No really "tiers" of schools.</p>
<p>Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then.</p>
<p>Sure, you do that. =)</p>
<p>It seems people lack common courtesy on the internet. Why can you not simply respect that I have my own opinion?</p>
<p>Well, I don't really respect your opinion as it is based on very limited evidence. I do, however, support and respect your right to have that opinion. There is a very large difference.</p>
<p><em>Hoping that was a joke</em></p>
<p>If two job applicants appear before an employer, and one went to Harvard and the other Michigan, according to this thread, you cannot tell who has the edge. It all hinges on whether or not the employer attended either of these schools.
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<p>It also depends on which employer is the most open-minded, I suppose. To base your choice on where the applicant attended school makes no sense at all to me, unless everything else on the app is equal. The "no name" school applicant could certainly be the better candidate.</p>
<p>alright, thats fine, and I understand your opinion as mine is limited to one workspace and does not apply in general.</p>
<p>I mean, part of them knowing if your a qualified applicant is what college you attended. Straight out of law school the harvard graduate would get the job. How else would you judge qualifications other than school and grades at the school . Anyone cab have a lucky nterview or something. Going from college straight to grad school like lots of people do (other than maybe business school) doesn't leave a lot of time to build a resume. I'm saying it helps you right out of college</p>
<p>Unless you have interviewed and hired people, I caution you not to post what might be common assumptions as though they are facts. There's a lot going on in interviews, and sometimes an Ivy Leaguer will get turned down and someone from a lesser known school will get the job. Wherever you go, if you want to do well you have to work hard and show that you will work hard for your employer. That kid from Northeastern just might be a scrappier candidate.</p>
<p>Not many people here have reviewed an application and decided what the person needed to attend their top boarding school. Yet nearly everyone has posted advice as fact atleast one time. You don't need to have interviewed and hired someone to have an opinion. If it sounded like I was posting it as fact ..I wasn't. ...thought it was rather obvious from my previous posts on this thread.</p>
<p>And I still think it gives you an edge. I may not have hired anyone...but my parents have been hired. They felt like their colleges helped them out, and they want to give me that opportunity. If you could expand on all the things that goes into an interview for a job straight out of college that would be great. I want to know how that University of Texas law school student could show he is more qualified than the IVY leaguer simply by talking. Assuming both have no previous substantial work experience.</p>
<p>mpicz...an Ivy degree WILL cause a hiring manager to take note. That's absolutely true. But that does not mean the Yale grad wins the face off with the state college grad. A kid might make a non-Ivy choice because of money, or being close to a sick family member, or being married to a spouse who is working in a non-Ivy city, or simply believing it doesn't make a difference (lots more of those than you think). </p>
<p>A strong recruiter or hiring manager will pay attention to these details, as well as relative GPA performance, awards, third party recognitions, inventions, entrepreneurial ventures....etc etc. Compare, for instance, a state school graduate who had to work all four years to pay for his education, was summa cum laude, and had outstanding references from his employer versus the Harvard grad with a 3.2 who never worked and enjoyed no additional recognition beyond the degree. While there may be some hiring managers who would still choose the Harvard grad, the vast majority (especially in business) will choose the state school grad whose achievements, taken collectively, are more impressive and a better (not flawless) indicator of future success.</p>
<p>I can't speak for the investment banking / finance arenas, only for information technology.</p>
<p>Stop comparing the super #1 state grad with the "slacking, Harvard snob." Get real, compare two perfectly equal applicants, BUT have one with "Exeter, Harvard" and the other with "Central High School, Arkansas State University".</p>
<p>The ignorance is amazing... I promise you. 9 times out of 10 the Exeter+Harvard grad will get the job over the same Central+Arkansas State University... Harvard's case study approach makes you a better thinker. Exter's best asset is how they form your thought process(so I hear). </p>
<p>My dad has hired plenty of people from all walks of life. He treats them all equally, they interview before they shoot over their application. If you have a slightly arrogance in the interview, someone sees Harvard and they think, "OH YA, SUCH A SNOB OBVIOUSLY." If you come off as "feet on the ground" and resourceful... They'll think, "Oh that makes sense, Harvard."</p>
<p>I'll be honest, I'm only talking about very competitive jobs. Law, Medicine, Finance, Technology and Politics mainly. It isn't a free ticket, but it really makes you a better thinker and I believe that people will understand that. And who cares if they think you are arrogant? When you have the job and they don't... We'll see who has humility.</p>
<p>Italian I don't really agree with you, but you came of as very rude. </p>
<p>We know that the Harvard guy will be ahead of State university guy. You brought high schools into this, after you go to college and graduate your 10th grade gpa, cum. gpa etc will not matter. Joe Jobgiver does not care that you were val. of your high school class, he will look at the college and how you did in it.</p>
<p>Remember two IDENTICAL people will never be up against each other, if they are the Harvard guy has an edge...</p>
<p>I am not saying prestige does not play a role, it does, but many a time that Arkansas State university guy (that you so bluntly made fun of) will be a lot more humility, smarts, etc. than that guy from Princeton.</p>
<p>I am in no way making fun of elite schools, both my parents went to them, and it is from their experience (along with what I have gleaned elsewhere) that I am telling you elite schools may give you a few more connections, a placebo effect, a nice diploma with veritas that says grad. of "The president and fellows of Harvard university", etc. but it will not put you a longshot ahead of John stateschool. </p>
<p>What really caught me was "It makes you a better thinker", no it will not. It will make you think that you are better at thinking than someone else but that is all up to you.</p>
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<p>No statistic shows that, statistics have actually shown a lot smaller yield than that. </p>
<p>This is just my two cents... Like I said we can all go around, prancing the earth, thinking that Harvard is the best... It is not, breath the reality. Some of us brilliant people will go to MIT, Harvard, Yale and others to top state universities.</p>
<p>ALL that being said, if I got accepted to both UoI and Harvard I would chose the latter.</p>
<p>I said "Assumin both have no previous substantial work experience.". Most in Harvard have been recognized by a 3rd party before they even get there. And I don't think a 3.2 is that easy in harvard, if that person got a 3.2 without working, he's going to be smart enough to fabricate some working habits.</p>
<p>I slightly agree with Italian...its not realistic to say a Harvard grad. gpa is same as a state college. My bro goes to Duke and worked all thorughout highschool, it's just impossible to do it with the major he picked up. The guy from the state college may have a lot more time to do that job. Its just unfair to compare a super lazy Harvard graduate verse a hard working kid from anywhere. No matter what college your at, being lazy isn't going to get you anywhere most time.</p>
<p>Im talking about, this is a decision you have to discuss with one of your colleagues. The harvard grad would have the edge...</p>
<p>Good point. </p>
<p>I agree with you to that degree, Mpicz. I think Italian overstated the importance elite, but to that degree yes it is better. </p>
<p>Like I said, if I was accepted to both Harvard and State univ. I would chose the former.</p>