The World's Best Country for Women

A look at how another country does things. Interesting to compare to our the USA. Very quick read.

http://www.cntraveler.com/story/worlds-best-country-for-women?mbid=nl_030817_Daily&CNDID=6848450&spMailingID=10582019&spUserID=MTQwMjYxNDExODA2S0&spJobID=1120670329&spReportId=MTEyMDY3MDMyOQS2

Are you serious? Women are raped in Sweden at astronomical rates by refugees. It’s so bad that the government won’t even release or report the figures. What dribble.

Are YOU serious?! Care to back that up with some fact from a reliable source, especially since you are claiming the Swedish government is involved a conspiracy? Facts, mind you, not “alternative facts”.

What baloney. Stop making stuff up. I adore Sweden, would love to live there.

It’s scary on a website focused on higher education to become aware of what drivel some folks will fall for.

Here’s hoping for the next generation getting a good dose of critical thinking skills as part of their education.

I don’t know about Sweden, but when we lived in Germany in the 1980sI was encouraged to stop working three weeks before my due day, was give six months paid maternity leave, and on top of that we received a small stipend from the government called “Muttergeld”, because children are worth encouraging. I’m not convinced the women in our office got equal pay for equal work, but I got paid better there with full health care - a far cry from what I’d had at my last American job.

It’s hard to compare Sweden’s 10 million population vs USA 326 million.

I’ve never understood this argument. People are people.

The truth on crime in Sweden:

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/trump-exaggerates-swedish-crime/
http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/

Bottom line: You are all right to some extent. While there has been an uptick in crimes overall since 2014, including rape, the overall situation has been greatly exaggerated by those on the right. The primary reason for the increase in crimes appears to be related to immigrant joblessness, poverty, and exclusion from society. Immigrants are finding it difficult to integrate, a fact which, in and of itself, could become a problem for Sweden later on down the road.

Regardless, Sweden has its pros and cons, like every country. Personally, I think the lack of geographic/weather diversity there would drive me up a wall, but that has nothing to do with immigrants obviously. :slight_smile:

What do you mean by this? What “argument” are you referencing? Surely it’s pretty obvious that women are treated differently in various countries. In some places, women face extreme resistance to the concept that they even have a right to a formal education, much less do they receive equal pay for equal work, progressive benefits like mandated maternity leave, etc.

Long winters/short days and lutefisk would be the biggest downside IMO. :wink:

@Nrdsb4 I read the comment to mean the size argument posted right above.

Mathmom–of course “people are people” but both population and cultural diversity makes a difference when it comes to governance. You can see that among our own 50 states–each area has it’s own particular problems/solutions specific to the region–it’s uniting us that is the challenge.

Sweden is the approximate size of CA. It has a minority population of about 5%. It is both ethnically and culturally homogeneous for the most part. That is a huge plus.

I see in the article that 2/3 of university degrees are awarded to women. What happened to the guys there? Is that really a plus for women and society?

As for “gender neutral”—with my kids those “blocks and dolls jumbled together” wouldn’t last long. They’d be separated out in a split second LOL.

The birth rate remains stable but much is attributed to immigration into the country. It will be interesting to see how it affects Sweden in the coming years. Will all those “perks for parents” last?

“Regardless, Sweden has its pros and cons, like every country. Personally, I think the lack of geographic/weather diversity there would drive me up a wall, but that has nothing to do with immigrants obviously.”

Cheap NWAS flights to Italy, Spain, etc. seem to sole that problem. :slight_smile:

My room mate decades ago was from Sweden. She said her dad paid 90% income taxes. I don’t believe that would ever pass in the US. They’ve had great paid parental leave in Sweden for decades–it was in place before the mid70s, when I mentioned it in my sociology honors thesis.

Ugh, even though she didn’t quote it, I should have realized someone named “mathmom” would be responding to a post about numbers. :smiley:

My sister lives in Sweden and has been there since 1990. I wouldn’t say she loves it, and everyone loves to kvetch about the government, but she has chosen to stay and knows that her quality of life is far better there than it would be in the US or in many other places.

When I first visited her, I was amazed by Stockholm, it seemed like such a large city. Sure, it’s spread out because of the lake and islands but it occurred to me after a few days that it seemed large because there were no areas that were dangerous and off limits. You saw babies in their giant prams everywhere, accommodation was just built in. Since then it has gotten more diverse but it seems just as large and safe as ever (I was there in 2015). Food has gotten better too.

What helps it a lot is that the small size is just more manageable, and it kept it’s own currency.

$10 beers are another serious downside. Living there is not cheap.

“I see in the article that 2/3 of university degrees are awarded to women. What happened to the guys there? Is that really a plus for women and society?”

Scandinavian countries and other northern European countries ave very stellar vo-tech education that is also more focused on a classical education than what you can find in the USA. My speculation is that a lot of males choose that path and have good careers and jobs.

“$10 beers are another serious downside. Living there is not cheap.”
True, but think about the extra money you would have if your health costs and higher ed were much cheaper or “free” (I’ll put that in quotes so someone doesn’t jump on me about taxes. :slight_smile: )

Well, my higher ed was free (USAF scholarship) and my health care costs are minimal, so I’m not a good example to use! Though maybe if beer was too expensive, I wouldn’t drink it. Could save some money there. Of course nothing is ever free, somebody pays for it. Thank you, taxpayers.