<p>It is well known that Harvard and WashU have high GPA and/or MCAT score requirements. I am sure they receive a lot of applications each year. For students with a GPA of 3.8X what MCAT score should they get before it would make sense for them to apply to those schools?</p>
<p>This data is a few years old but it gives you a ballpark.</p>
<p>Harvard
Average undergraduate GPA 3.85
Average MCAT score 12.0
Average biological MCAT score 12.0
Average physical sciences MCAT
score 12.0
Average verbal reasoning MCAT
score 11.0
Average writing MCAT score R</p>
<p>WUSTL
Average undergraduate GPA 3.87
Average MCAT score 12.4
Average biological MCAT score 12.8
Average physical sciences MCAT
score 12.8
Average verbal reasoning MCAT
score 11.7
Average writing MCAT score Q</p>
<p>It is well known that at a school like H, GPA and MCAT are generally not distinguishers. Rather, the distingusher is something besides a high stats. A high stats is really not that “valuable” to them. A million dollar question is: What is valued by them? I know a high stats non-URM kid who was accepted by H but was rejected by almost all other top med schools. Go figure. Maybe H is somewhat like Mayo which does not necessarily value a high stats applicant, even though most of their accepted students have a quite good stats. (e,g., among 1000 high stats applicants, they accept, say, 200 of them. These 200 are not necessarily the top 200 among the top 1000 high stats applicants, but they have some other achievement also.) Another applicant I could think of, who was accepted by H, was an applicant who devoted most of his life to activism in his last two years in college. He happened to still maintain a quite good stats but not better than many of his peer applicants. </p>
<p>My guess is that they value an applicant who excels in life as a whole, which is larger than just the academic life. Sometimes we would hear a rumor that goes like this: Some of these top med schools like a “(potentially future) leader in the medical community”, rather than “merely a doctor on the front line.”</p>
<p>Just thought of this: Hopefully, they really successfully select a future leader in the medical community, rather than a leading cosmetic surgeon who leads all other physicians in income by mostly serving the rich.</p>
<p>Mcat2, you mean like this?</p>
<p>[Plastic</a> Surgeon Los Angeles / San Fernando Valley - Cosmetic Surgery LA / Encino](<a href=“http://www.drsanders.com/]Plastic”>http://www.drsanders.com/)</p>
<p>sakky, This one may have demonstrated more leadership as an MD (at least on surface):</p>
<p>[Biography</a> | University of Texas System](<a href=“http://www.utsystem.edu/chancellor/biography]Biography”>James B. Milliken Biography | The University of Texas System)</p>
<p>He was from a family on the border, and he was one of 10 children in the family. I wonder whether the family he grew up with was rich. or Yale had need based scholarship back then like now. Hmm…one person I know who was from a rural area in Texas, who is about his age, told me that she got an almost free education at Yale School of Music back then. She said that school just started to accept female students not many years before she entered the school of music. So, there must be some need based scholarship even then (I would imagine there were probably not many though, as most students were from the elite class at that time.)</p>
<p>In the article it says he was a third generation physician, so I would think money was not too much of an issue.</p>
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<p>“create natural beauty”</p>
<p>lol.</p>