Thinking About Colleges

<p>Jr and I just spent the day at New Mexico Tech, participating in a program called “Research at Tech Day” for interested high school students. Since Jr has an acceptance and generous scholarship already in hand from NMT, we used this as our opportunity to visit the school for the first time. As we spoke to undergrads, grad students, professors, and administrators I realized that I was learning a few additional ideas about evaluating colleges and college fit.</p>

<li><p>New Mexico Tech has low tuition, and low room-and-board costs. I asked a senior administrator why, and was told that it was enough to cover their costs. I kept asking different folks about this during the day and eventually learned that the college has a large amount of research grants ($85 million this year), which contribute to the school through overhead allocation. Also, the college has owned its land for a very long time, and is significantly supported by the state. So, lower tuitions do not necessarily mean a financially-deprived school. There are several new buildings on campus, and a couple of very large academic buildings that are less than 10 years old. Generally speaking, the campus looks really nice – not a usual sign of financial problems.</p></li>
<li><p>NMT is generous with scholarship money, even for OOS applicants. According to an administrator with whom I spoke, university patent holdings are used for scholarships. The university holds an interest in the nicotine patch, invented by an NMT professor, and this administrator said that “the patch” largely funds their scholarships. </p></li>
<li><p>NMT is rated as a “third-tier national university” by USN&WR. This might be true, but they also rank 7th nationally in the proportion of their students who go on to earn PhDs. They have lots of labs stuffed full of equipment, and have a half-dozen (or more) specialized research facilities doing grant-based research on a wide variety of engineering and pure science topics. They are one of the operators of the VLA and VLBA radio telescopes, and the operations center for both are on-campus. In person, it is dripping with nerd-hood.</p></li>
<li><p>To a large extent, MIT and Berkeley and Caltech used WWII to build their reputations. The Cold War was good for a lot of schools. NMT has caught the wave of the next generation of government funding, and is doing a LOT of applied science around terrorism and low-intensity warfare. If I were starting out today, I’d think of counter-terrorism as a growing industry. (Sorry if that sounds macabre, but don’t forget that it was the University of California – and other colleges – that profited handsomely from nuclear weapons development.) I don’t know what other colleges are pushing research in this area, but NMT is in it big time. They even bought the town of Playas, NM, which they now lease out for arid urban warfare training. </p></li>
<li><p>Location sure matters. Socorro, NM, is not a quaint little college town. A mining town in the late-19th century, with a steady source of water from springs in the mountains nearby, Socorro’s biggest industry seems to be the university, which is 105 years old, but it looks like a lot of half-dead desert towns. (Sorry about that comment, but a lot of it sure looks hard-scrabble. There are some really nice looking neighborhoods at the south end of town, FWIW.) If your idea of college is a green New England town with commons and a Congregationalist church, this is NOT the place for you. The school does have a nice looking 18-hole golf course, though, which is $4.50 a round for students, or free if you join the student golf club. (That’s golf club, not golf club, if you get my meaning.) As it turns out, WashDadJr really does NOT want to go to an urban college, and he loves hot, dry weather. Going to school in the high desert appeals to him.</p></li>
<li><p>Internet and ratings-service opinions are likely to be out of date. In the case of NMT, they opened a new student union building last year, with a new dining hall, kitchen, and food service company. The students I talked to today said the food is really good. The college has a reputation (which appears in Princeton’s website) for “poor” food. Having been there today, I’d say the Internet information sources are wrong on this. This leads me to question a lot of quality-of-life reports you get about schools. Case Western is another example. Some people gush about the cultural resources on or right next to campus, while others hate the weather and the surrounding city. Both are probably right, and wrong.</p></li>
<li><p>We all say it, but you really have to visit. God love 'em, but the University of Washington comes off as really intense, rules-oriented, and self-absorbed in their wonderfulness. NMT was friendly, laid-back, and welcoming. (Personally, I’d give extra points to ANY college that didn’t require parking passes and had free parking.) Every time I’ve dealt with NMT (and the University of Portland, and Caltech) it’s been easy. With the UW, it’s always been a giant hassle. It’s all part of the “feel” of the school.</p></li>
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<p>I know I’m rambling here, but I was trying to reconcile my luke-warm opinion based on Internet research with the actual experience of our visit. I’ve not said it succinctly, but I suppose all I was trying to write is that there is no substitute for a visit, and that you need to form at least some decisions of your own. Jr says that NMT has moved to the top of the list of the schools to which he has already been accepted. I almost hope that his other applications are rejected just so I can stop thinking about this…</p>

<p>Night!</p>

<p>Wasdad. Very nice and informative post. I admire your tenacity in getting questions answered.</p>

<p>Congrats on having a great visit for the both of you. It's not that common an occurance.</p>

<p>Son spent 6 weeks there and loved the campus.. He had many local visits and was very impressed with Los Alamos Labs. Apparently they recruit from NMT pretty heavily. Agreed not an area of the country for everyone. Being from an east coast city my son will never forget the night sky in Socorro. He was very happy he got to experience that part of the country.</p>

<p>The college hunt can offer some nice surprises including some great memories with your kid.</p>

<p>That university isn’t new; it just changed its name. I lived in New Mexico many years, in Los Alamos precisely, and it was enough even for visiting again. I’ve never met at LANL a graduated for that university; most of the internships were given to student from University of California and some from University of New Mexico. Living in those small towns in the middle of nowhere it is not for a child raised closed to big cities, winter months are very long and summers with no ocean or lake in miles are very hot with no humidity (no wonder why you find so many snakes, lizards and scorpions watching you eating your lunch outside).</p>

<p>such a clear-headed analysis. anytime I've read an account of something I knew firsthand, there has been a startling gulf between the representation and my reality. this has lead me to doubt everything. absolutely everything,... except for my desire, based on a few weeks spent there 25 years ago, to live in washington state. i still retain that shred of a dream,..</p>

<p>NMT sounds like an excellent school! There are many college values out West.If he should go there please keep us posted as to the difficulties of sending him there as it appears it is quite a distance from you. Also, being not as large I bet they offer plenty of academic help/advice should the students need it. Maybe you S will score some meridt aid there , too. We had an interest in Florida Tech once and they offered quite a bit of merit aid once they knew how interested we were. Now, if only our kids would take our advice!
p.s.All college food is bad.</p>

<p>Thanks WashDad - Great post. I am glad that my kids have not gotten hung up on rankings and are willing to consider various universities as your son is doing.Who knows what gem they may find.
We did glance at the rankings USNWR puts out and my H was shocked to see that his college is listed as 4th tier! He felt he got a great education for a reasonable cost and has managed to carve out a nice career despite the fact that his university ranks low on USNWR : )
It seems that you asked a lot of great questions and took a very realistic view of life at that school. I will remember to note some of these things on our upcoming college visit trip! And with D1, we were also put off by some schools that seemed a little too full of themselves for our taste or just a little too much red-tape driven. Congrats on a find for you!</p>

<p>Out there in the venture-capital world, you can bet your sweet bippy that counter-terrorism is a growing industry. It's one of the places where the money is chasing the people these days. (Actually, to be precise, it's going through a little slump right now because people threw so much money down bungholes in 2002-2004. But no one doubts that this is going to be a major tech area.)</p>

<p>I went there many years back,for the research, the sunshine and the enchantment of the state. I am still friends with profs, mostly retired, who used to have us around for dinner and join us at the saloon (age was 19 then). I was just back this past fall. Wow it has grown, has a lot of new builigns and yes the food is so much better than in the 70's. Nice review of the place.
Not for everybody but you can get a great education there for a low monetary investment. New mexican food is awesome too...</p>

<p>This excellent post just reaffirms what all of us on CC suspect: Fit is everything.</p>

<p>Glad you and Jr. had such a positive experience, WashDad.</p>

<p>WashDad,
Do I recall that NMT is also one of the schools that is offers generous merit aid to NMFs?</p>

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<p>Yes, <a href="http://www.nmt.edu/prospective/admin/sch/index.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nmt.edu/prospective/admin/sch/index.htm&lt;/a>. </p>

<p>One last reflection.</p>

<p>If the prospective student is interested in engineering or big science, it's a good thing to know what research is being conducted on campus, and how much research grant money is flowing in. A school can probably do a fine job educating undergraduates just out of regular college funding sources, but if the student wants to work on a research project it would be useful to know what the research money environment is like.</p>

<p>Case in point: NMT doesn't get the funding of an MIT or Caltech, but they did tell us that about 60% of undergraduates are paid to work on research projects in the school or one of its attached research institutes. I didn't get into details, but one administrator told us that "any student who wants to work on a research project, can, and they are mostly paid really well." He actually repeated "really well."</p>

<p>I can tell you first-hand that part of the money flowing to NMT has to do with Congressional support. The NM people have become VERY agressive at bringing research $$$ into their state. I was involved with helping create a new federal research center. We were trying to determine which location would be best, but the final bill in Congress stipulated that it be at NMT. Interesting.</p>

<p>Thanks WashDad for the positive comments about NMT. My S applied there and was awarded great merit aid. I think that it's a great school and love to hear positive comments about a school that is not as selective.</p>

<p>WOuld you mind posting what you consider to be "great merit aid?" My parents (D's grandparents) live in Santa fe and we visit often. I would like for her to consider UNM because I know it is renowned in some areas (not to mention the golf) and is near family. The possibility of merit aid might be a real enticement for her. We are from Mass.</p>

<p>The percentage of kids being paid to do research has been that way for over 30 years. Yes ,the senators from that state have done a great job of keeping research dollars going there. It is small and some think a bit isolated but you get a good education and get some opportunites that often are more limited to grad students. And 350 days of sunshine and green chile, yum!</p>