Thoughts on the "zero tolerance" policy?

<p>I think some peoples’ idea of a boarding school is that it is a magical utopia-like places where nothing bad can happen. Anywhere where there are a bunch of teenage aged kids, there will be sex, drugs, and drama. This is a hard fact that some people applying to these schools don’t realize. I think these issues should be talked about more often on these boards to inform the uninformed of the realities of boarding schools. </p>

<p>(I am not making excuses for teenagers, I am just being a realist.)</p>

<p>TomTheCat,

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<p>This stuff is scary and the fact that you are nonchalant about these addicting behaviors is even scarier. Thanks for opening our eyes to the world of BS.</p>

<p>Now I totally get it. You go to BS, then you go to Wall St and Washington, and the rest is history. Mrs. Bush wrote about these addictions in her book.</p>

<p>My son goes to a zero tolerance Boarding School, they do have a system in place called A-Teaming where you can ask for help or someone can request help for you and you will be protected from expulsion. My son has been a prefect for 2 years and has always asserted he would A-Team a classmate rather then report them to a dorm supe or other adult, he has never had to, but he is aware that kids do drugs, he says pot is more of an issue then alcohol. At least 10 kids were asked to withdraw this year when caught with pot. I think they should have second chances, my husband and son disagree. S says you know the policy going in, adhere to it.</p>

<p>I think these things shouldn’t make people scared of a boarding school. These discussiongs are just to open their eyes to how boarding school isn’t always as perfect as displayed in the viewbooks. </p>

<p>I would say that people are being irrational if they chose not to apply to a boarding school because of drugs since they will find the same thing at public schools. No matter where you attend, there will always be drugs and sex.</p>

<p>Pulsar, the stuff is NOT scary. Haha, goodbye BS and hello local public? Do you actually think your local public has less illegal substance floating around than boarding school?</p>

<p>Look, I CERTAINLY don’t recommend doing this stuff at school, but it’s seriously common and seriously benign. Cocaine is not, but alcohol and weed are. You need to understand that there’s no research to indicate that marijuana is addictive, and, where I come from, England, the drinking age is 16, so maybe you can understand how ridiculous I think it is that people in America make such a huge deal out of people under 21 consuming alcohol.</p>

<p>Haha, ooookay. Use Barbara Bush as a resource. I won’t stop you… but I will laugh</p>

<p>TomTheCat, It’s shocking that an Andover Junior doesn’t know that this stuff is addictive, even for someone from England. This speaks volumes… and God bless BS, I sincerely mean it.</p>

<p>No one is forcing you to apply / go to a BS.</p>

<p>Haha, pulsar, weed isn’t addictive… Alcohol is, but not everyone who drinks automatically becomes an alcoholic - especially when it’s so hard to get alcohol here. Think about it.</p>

<p>Haha, even for someone from England… Droll, very droll.</p>

<p>Weed isn’t chemically addictive, but it can be emotionally addicted, meaning you get addicted to the feeling of weed.</p>

<p>I know someone who went to rehab for weed (among other non-substance related issues). I was really surprised when I found out that you can go to rehab for weed, but you can.</p>

<p>Just thought I’d throw my $.02 in. And I agree with TomTheCat- marijuana and alchohol are not necassarily the epitome of evil as some seem to think. They can be, but not always.</p>

<p>I wonder how people get these craps in BS, where they stay all time in campuses?</p>

<p>I would assume some of it comes from day students.</p>

<p>We’ve heard about it being a problem on an all-boarder campus too.</p>

<p>Well the students could always get drugs when they leave the campus and go into town. They may know students in the area who could give them / sell them drugs. Be creative because I am sure these students are too when it comes to this stuff.</p>

<p>Just for the record - It never ever came from the day students at Groton. I know that seems logical, but it just doesn’t work that way,</p>

<p>Just wanted to stick up for Day students! I didn’t want anyone reading this to think day students are local townie druggies. That is so far from reality. </p>

<p>in my experience (ok, that was a million years ago, but here ya go . . .) the kids who used drugs already had access to them prior to coming to BS. They brought it back with them after vacation. When it comes to alcohol, kids used to ask random people walking into liquor stores to buy for them. Every once in a while you’d find a drunk guy who’d buy for you. The NYC kids already had very easy access in NYC and would just bring it back form breaks. Either way, it never came from the day students.</p>

<p>and of course the reason weed is so much prevalent in BS is bc its much easier to transport/hide/consume on campus. Even those kids that dont have fake id’s (yes probably at least half of juniors and majority of seniors) can buy weed. And some “enterprising” students at a BS considered to be the top here on cc, figured out a way to aerate their rooms so they can partake in the privacy and comfort of their own rooms. Stupid? yes. Uncommon? no.</p>

<p>Either they ventilate their rooms or they just use a vaporizer, which creates neither smoke nor smell.</p>

<p>It’s an art to some kids here</p>

<p>I found this on the “Ask the Dean” section of CC and found it appropriate for tis thread:</p>

<p>Is the Discipline Bar Set Too High for Boarders?</p>

<p>Question: My son was just asked to leave his boarding school, only a few weeks before graduation, because a faculty member found him (and two other seniors) smoking marijuana in his dorm room. The other seniors were dismissed as well. The school plans to notify the college my son expects to attend and told us that the college may rescind the acceptance. My son, who has always been a strong student and leader–until now–is going to ask for a special in-person interview to explain the circumstances to the college, with the hope that his acceptance will not be revoked. My husband and I are very disappointed by our son’s behavior, and he will face recriminations at home as well. Yet it strikes me that boarding school students are at an unfair disadvantage. When students at day schools (public or private) face similar infractions, it rarely results in dismissal because usually these things take place off the school grounds so the school isn’t involved at all. Is it reasonable to impose such harsh punishments only on boarders?</p>

<p>Your story is a familiar one. In fact, this spring, an almost epidemic number of similar queries have landed in the Dean’s in-box. While the stories vary somewhat, the prevailing theme is that a boarding school student was caught using or harboring drugs or alcohol and was expelled from the school, just weeks shy of graduation. The other prevailing theme has been along the lines of, “Up until now, Junior has been a class leader, model citizen, etc. This is a first offense, but the school has a zero-tolerance policy.”</p>

<p>So, I, too, can’t help but consider all the local high school students I’ve known over the years who have had been involved in some sort of substance-related offense and whose punishment has never included expulsion from school and usually not even suspension. This is because, as you’ve noted, the infractions typically take place off of school grounds. The teens are apprehended in cars, in parks, at concerts, or in other situations where the police may get involved but not the principal. And, in most cases, the punishment is a scary trip through the legal system that usually results in a slap on the wrist from the courts and perhaps something harsher at home. But only rarely do the colleges get wind of the offense, if all of this transpired after the applications and verdicts were a done deal.</p>

<p>Thus it does seem to me that boarding school students can pay a steep price for doing what many other teenagers are doing anyway. Granted, the “everyone’s doing it” excuse will not have a lot of legs, should my own son (now 13) ever get himself in such hot water. But, even so, I question these zero-tolerance policies that many boarding schools impose. I understand, of course, that such schools have very weighty in loco parentis duties to uphold and are responsible for each student’s safety, 24/7, not just during a six-hour day. Yet most of my “Ask the Dean” missives come from the parents themselves, not their progeny. Indeed, it’s the parents who are complaining that the punishment imposed by the boarding school is too severe for the crime … certainly far worse than anything that would have been meted out on the home-front.</p>

<p>Indeed, I find it ironic that the in loco parentis approach of the boarding school does not really reflect how an actual parent would handle such incidents. Boarding students seem to be held to a higher standard than their day-student counterparts. While I do understand that boarding communities–made up of hundreds of teenagers–can’t function exactly the same way as households composed of one or two, I feel that “zero-tolerance” of what is otherwise Standard Operating Procedure for many teens should be reevaluated. School administrators should formally recognize–as most parents in my orbit seem to do–that there are degrees of misbehavior. Sharing a beer or a joint with close friends is very different from bringing unsavory characters in off the street to shoot heroin. I’m not saying that both school officials and parents should be cavalier about drugs and alcohol, only that the punishment should fit the crime, and that perhaps some school policies should be reviewed and revised to reflect this.</p>

<p>However, when your son meets with admission officials to plead his case, this is not the time for him to play the victim of unreasonable school rules. Instead, he should briefly explain the episode and then emphasize what he’s learned from it. The college folks may be understandably concerned that your son will be bringing a drug problem–and the drugs themselves–to their campus in the fall. So he might want to provide assurances that his drug use was rite-of-passage experimentation and not part of an escalating pattern. At the same time, he should be careful not to trivialize it. He might also want to volunteer to start his college career on some sort of probation, so he’ll be subjecting himself to monitoring by a dean or other adult until he proves he doesn’t need it. Above all, he should explain that the price he’s paid has been severe enough to frighten him back to model-citizen behavior throughout his college career.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>The story smacks of “urban legend” to me. However, I’ll pretend that it really happened for the sake of this argument…</p>

<p>The Dean says “The other prevailing theme has been along the lines of, “Up until now, Junior has been a class leader, model citizen, etc. This is a first offense, but the school has a zero-tolerance policy.”</p>

<p>I’ll counter with this: if the student is at the point that he is toking in his room, this is not the first time he has used pot. When you are at the experimenting stage, you sneak off some place remote, or maybe at a party where other kids are offering it to you. When you are past the curiosity stage and you feel the need to get high on a regular basis, that’s when you are smoking in your dorm room. This may be when he finally got caught (the supposed “first” offense) but he’s been engaging in the “illegal” behavior for a long time. I would not say that this is a scenario where leniency is called for.</p>

<p>re post 37: something awfully similar to that happened my junior year. 4 boys, 2 seniors and 2 sophomores were caught after smoking. when did they get caught? two days before graduation. it was a saturday night they were caught and graduation was the following monday. the two seniors were not allowed to walk on prize day and had to inform their colleges. one senior had his acceptance rescinded but ended up at a decent school while the other kid was lucky enough to still be allowed to attend but started the year off on academic probation. the two sophomores were “suspended” (there was only prize day, review day, and exams left) by having to take their exams in a private place away from the other students. they also had random drug tests the following years.</p>

<p>my school was generally a two strikes and you’re out school so thats why nobody was expelled</p>

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i think there needs to be more pushback by the parents and the schools about this. too many of us have tended to see these things as “rites of passage” without any really serious negative consequences. however, there is now a growing number of studies based on brain imaging showing that the adolescent brain is particularly vulnerable to permanent damage from both marijuana and alcohol usage. if parents and schools begin emphasizing these dangers to students, rather than warning about possible legal and school discipline consequences, it may resonate well particularly with the brighter and more talented students found at boarding schools.</p>