@ROSSX2
Just saw this. So bummed. One less chance at the path.
@speedyliv
He took it the 18th.
Bummer about HPME but at the same time, probably the most competitive. In last cycle, 5000 applied for the app, 1000 were issued, 800 returned, about 100-120 interviews for about 30 offers.
HPME
The inside rumor is that one of HPME’s goal was to get diversity in medicine which they believe was not being met in the recent years.
Dr Wayne of Feinberg Med School had been keen to replace this program for sometime now.
It MAY (repeat MAY) get launched in new form in the future.
It may be modeled along Wayne State’s program as per the rumors.
Note: this is based on grapevine and the real story may be something else.
Dr. Wayne to go after Wayne State model ! Not entirely surprising 
The silver lining of the program cancelling for 2021, there will be 20 extra slots for traditional route folks in 2024.
No surprise. The trend continues - WUSTL, NU HPE. Which are next BU, AMC, UPitt GAP to be axed in the coming years ?
As some one pointed out 20 or more seats for regular medical route folks - this will be add to the goal of diversity in medical program at NU in future. Regular route has approximately 40-42% chance of at least ONE medical school admission- a better odd for an applicant compared to less than 4 % percent chance here (30/800 = 3.75%).
@ROSSX2 What makes you think you would have be one of the 3.75% successful applicant ? You may have just luckily avoided a big disappointment.
@OldSchoolMD How is your S doing at BU SMED ?
@grtd2010 dont need to think… been there… done that…
Comparing apples to oranges.
We have had this discussion earlier in this thread.
Let’s do a like to like comparison:
NU-Feinberg: Traditional Route
7052 applicants; 800 interviewed for 160 seats
Takeaway 30 HPME and NUPSP seats and you have 130 being admitted via traditional route.
Ratio = 130/7052 = 1.84%
This ratio is the correct comparison of NU traditional route vs NU-HPME.
Otherwise we need to compare the 39% ratio for all colleges during traditional route vs 33% for BS/MD applicants.
Does anyone know which programs are focused on rural communities/primary care? I have a “why medicine” essay tailored specifically to those types of programs but I am having a hard time figuring out what those programs are.
For reference these are the BS/MDs I am applying to:
VCU
Uconn
Siena/AMC
NJIT
CWRU
Penn state
Brooklyn college
Washington and Jefferson
U at Albany
Folks
FYI —-
Yale University discriminated against Asian-American applicants, DOJ investigation says.
Also, the numbers and calcs alone don’t reflect the true picture. Slice and dice the selections by multi dimensional filters as discussed earlier. Such as URM, ORM, socio economic / first generation college grads, geography/underserved areas, capping the acceptances to low single digits per undergrad institution etc, etc.
Another variable is the class size can go down year over year. For example typical class size at BU was 175-180. Last year it was 160. Think they wanted to make it more and more competitive to get in. This year it is 150.
From this subtract ~20 SMEDs, and some more for early assurances for their sophomores, tie ups with other undergrad historical black colleges etc. So total for traditional ~115. Total applications typically between 9-10k. Of course they give acceptances in the ratio of 1 : 2.5 to 3 knowing well many of the outstanding applicants will also have acceptances from the neighborhood HMS and such. But still <4% chance just looking numerically alone.
And then apply above mentioned filters on top.
Next year it will get even more competitive for traditional route, since there will be ~ 30 SMEDs, beyond the estimation and planning of the program director himself.
Just mentioning interest in rural medicine alone may not convince anyone. Unless you are from a rural background and/or worked or volunteered in such a setup
The new associate dean of admissions at BU med school (past 2 years) is from primary care background. Changes were made after her/his entry such as deemphasis on the NIH research by high school students and such. But not sure how much it may help in pre interview stage of selections.
Another program that comes to mind is CUNY/Sophie Davis in NY. But they also want to promote URM participation in medicine so again not sure how it works out.
Forgot to mention, in the example above, 20 or more will be for their own undergrads spanning disciplines like premed, engineering, business, social sciences, public health etc. Total such applicants may not be more than 2 to 300s. So that brings down the total slots available for the entire traditional track to < 100 before applying all those filters.
thank you @rk2017 and @NoviceDad for providing some clarity and nuances around numbers vs. cowboy math.
just to add for people to understand. NU HPME accept rate is ~30-35 offers/5000 people who request an application = .7%.
80% of people who request an app, do not get it.
Veterans know that this path is ultra competitive but if someone wants to become an MD, there are several paths and they will make it there with dedication. direct med, traditional, gap, caribbean… all with their pros cons risks opportunities.
Ross is taking applications for sept 7 start class with MCAT waived!!!
@rk2017
Agree with you that there are many variables or as you say multi-dimensional filters involved
However, even if you look at just hard numbers, we should do like-to-like comparison.
For practically every medical school, if one looks at it individually, the acceptance rate is in single digits.
Hi, What all can be considered as clinical hours? Can volunteering at a senior living facility be considered for it?
Thanks @ROSSX2 and @NoviceDad for sharing your perspective as well. So if we assume even a liberal acceptance rate of between 5-10%, say 7% and with the typical applicant applying to 25 med schools, the acceptance probability of at least one should be 1 - probability of not getting in all of them = 1 - (0.93)^25 = 0.837 or 83.7% (where ^ indicates to the power of and .93 the chance of rejection). Unfortunately it is “cow boy math” 
and “doesn’t work that way” to quote C from few years ago when I came up with a similar calc and showed. In fact my math was even better, based only on the number of interviews one gets for these programs and just not on the applications filled in.
The reason is, one gets the biggest competition from one’s own undergrad institution or high school as the case may be, to start with. So if there are a couple of outstanding fellow students (or alumni) also applying to and competing at majority of the 25 odd schools one is applying to, they will end up as blockers to everyone else applying from the same institution in all these places. Since med schools cap the number of acceptances given out per (outside) institution. Sadly since these top folks can choose only one med school to attend, leaving all other fellow students from their institution disappointed every where else since they may have gotten filtered out bcoz of these folks who wouldn’t even join all these other 25 odd - 1 schools.
Yes, Your D got into NU HPME and BU SMED in the last cycle. Did not recall your user id first.
The authentic data for regular medical school admission is from AAMC ( they have a staff of statisticians). It shows in the last row for all applicants the acceptance rate ( at least ONE medical school ) as 41.9%. No argument there from professionals.
https://www.aamc.org/system/files/2020-04/2019_FACTS_Table_A-23_0.pdf
All Applicants Acceptees 21 49 239 1,164 3,533 7,325 12,160 14,859 12,209 10,524 62,083
Applicants 4,417 4,542 7,492 11,690 17,297 22,703 26,187 24,186 16,779 12,753 148,046
Acceptance rate % 0.5 1.1 3.2 10.0 20.4 32.3 46.4 61.4 72.8 82.5 41.9