Seems like you are too worried about prestige and keep asking same questions. It’s a solid school and you have more risk going to Cornell and Duke. So stop worrying and go to a Rochester and do well.
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All im asking is if i didnt apply out and went there for med i still have a rly good chance of t20 residency right?
Whatever specialty and in which ever top most residency school for that specialty, you can get it either from Rochester MD or from Harvard MD. It absolutely makes no difference as long as you grind to reach your goal. Looking at average score and concluding any thing is meaningless unless you read every fine prints. Harvard average MCAT may be lower than xyz school, because that xyz school may give more importance in their matriculants pool MCAT and Harvard may give less. It is true, go and look at top 10 schools and see their average numbers. Same now on residency, some schools may not be in every top specialty. Rochester itself I saw in one site listed 11 for dermatology.
The point is you need to feel confident about yourself. Only when we are not sure, we human tend to analyze every damn thing in the world, rather than looking at ourselves in the mirror. The amount of time you spend is more than the time you need to get in to your top notch residency program in the top notch specialist.
How are you going to find the right spouse for you? Are you not going to miss some thing or other with this spouse vs that spouse? We will be interested in knowing not when you find, but after 50-70 years of living with that spouse. GL.
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Again you can match from any school to T20 residency. You may have to get higher scores or have more publications than T10 medical students.
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@SeekingAdvice123 - you keep asking the same question over and over. I’m not sure what you’re looking for. Given you have the option of applying out, you can still do that if prestige is what is important to you. As has been said multiple times here, residency possibilities would not closed off because of going URochester. It’s what you do during Med school and your test scores and your LOR and your away rotations.
See below Fig1 and 2 from ‘Results of the 2020 NRMP Program Director Survey‘
https://mk0nrmp3oyqui6wqfm.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-PD-Survey.pdf
It’s what you do during Med school that’s the major factor.
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One of my second cousins got into Columbia Urology from U of Rochester medical school via Williams college. He said Williams was difficult.
One of NYU hepatology attending graduated from U of Rochester undergraduate school then went on to SUNY Buffalo medical school then went on to NYU IM residency then went on to U of Pittsburgh GI fellowship then went on to Mount Sinai Transplant fellowship. Is this good enough for you?
Even thought these are N=2 cases, these examples clearly depict that both U of Rochester undergraduate and medical school are excellent choices.
When our son was applying during 2014 cycle, he waivered between Cornell, WashU, Vandy, Northwestern and RPI/Albany BSMD. For me, if he hadn’t gotten into RPI/Albany, I would have recommended him to attend either U of Rochester or Case Western for his regular undergraduate program. Of course, he would have picked REMS over those schools WITHOUT any hesitations. Through RPI/Albany BSMD, he has matched with a good radiology residency program this year. We have no regrets in choosing RPI/Albany BSMD over other colleges. And out son has no regrets of not applying out of his program even though he was summa cum laude from RPI.
srk2017@ is right about Cornell and Duke being difficult schools as a pre med. One of our patients had a difficult time as a pre med in Cornell even though he was one of top students at a magnet high school. He did eventually became MD. One of other patients needed 2 years of gap year to getting into a state medical school after graduating from Duke.
I hope these are enough information for you to choose REMS.
PS- I have no affiliations to U of Rochester or REMS program, but I should work for them!
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Please find a crystal ball or better a Time Machine. Then you can see the future. No one seems to convince you about anything. Flip a coin between your top two choices and end this saga.
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@SeekingAdvice123 One may or may not match into a T1-20 IM residency, it is the computer algorithm which decides the outcome of NRMP. There is no guarantee.
Rochester is a solid medical school and I agree with others that it should not stop you matching to top programs unless you have any issue with spending 8 years in specific weather and location.
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No one can predict future accurately. Learn about your risk tolerance and then decide how much risk you can bear/take.
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Only medical school in our state (OHSU), has high instate preference. But they do seem to prefer students with gap year(s), non-trads. Its little harder to get into OHSU straight out of college.
Regarding AP scores: She got 5 in AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Calc A/B, AP Calc B/C, AP macro econ, AP micro econ. Currently doing AP Phys, AP Stats, AP Comp. Sc.
She did participate in many local science competitions, but nothing national level. She did compete nationally for DECA, Speech Debate - but no national level awards. She did some medical research at OHSU, tons of volunteering with food bank, homeless shelters, raising money for non-profits, very passionate about mentoring middle school kids in STEM. Never imagined she would choose medicine path. 
Thank you. I will let her know.
I will take a closer look at your earlier posts to get an idea. Thank you for offering to help. Once I have all my questions, I will try to find out how to PM (and if I am allowed).
If you want to apply to medical school and go to a better medical school (like a T10), I would go to Cornell or Duke. It’s much easier to get into a T10 medical school from a top Ivy or borderline ivy school. It’s going to be much harder to get into a T10 medical school just from Rochester’s undergraduate, with their lack of high-level, high-impact research. You have a significantly better shot at T10 medical schools (Harvard, Stanford NYU, Duke, etc.) if you go to Duke or Cornell, which have better undergrad reputations and prestige. Duke or Cornell is better than Rochester in my opinion if you want to get into a top medical school and subesquenly match in a top IM residency program. You were good enough to get into REMS; don’t sell yourself short. You can definitely get into a better medical school from a top undergrad. You should go to a top undergrad, like Duke and Cornell, so you have a better chance to get into a T10 medical school and top residency program. Just my $0.02.
This is a tough one.
The average GPA of the enrolled students is 3.73 and the average MCAT score is 510. so MCAT is not bad.
However instate tuition for SOM is $51K which is pretty high and AMC is $20K more only. you will spend more for UG. RPI may give up to $25K/yr.
Oregon Health and Science University is ranked No. 29 (tie) in Best Medical Schools: Research and No. 4 in Best Medical Schools: Primary Care. PD directors rank is 19, so it’s a solid T20 school.
So decide based on how much your D values rank/prestige and total cost. 3.5 at RPI shouldn’t be an issue.
It is just your opinion only. Do you have any data to support it ? Please provide authentic data that support your assertions.
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If finance is not an issue and if does not want to take too much risk, go with RPI/AMC.
If ready to try regular route, though OR gives IS preferences, OR MD IS fees are very high. So it makes sense to apply widely including OR in 4 years. For that all your 3 choices (Vandy Emory or IS UG) are ok and depends on how much you can or want to spend for UG, location preferences and how comfortable student can take initiative to do EC or research etc.
My comments are not “pure speculation.” Only 66% of Rochester undergraduates get accepted into medical school, and most of them are lower tier medical schools. 85% get in from Duke, and 75% at Cornell. Students from these top schools get into higher-tier medical schools. My point is if @seekingadvice123 wants to get into a T10 medical school, then going to a better undergraduate university (like Duke or Cornell) will give them a better shot at a T10 medical school. There’s not point to going to Rochester’s BSMD and then applying out. they are unlikely to get into a T10 school from Rochester’s weak undergrad, and that is backed up by statistics. If you really want to a T10 medical school, you need to go to a top undergrad school, which Rochester is not a top undergrad school.
Where is the data that support who gets into T10 medical schools ? Do you have a breakdown of the different colleges whose graduates matriculate into T10 medical school. Please provide it for supporting your assertion. It is a purely a speculation without any data that support your assertions.
Need to read fine points.
When two of my patients, who have graduated from “low” Ivy and “good” private college, were choosing post bacc programs, one with ivy chose Columbia post bacc program based on the brochure which touted about 90 % medical school acceptance rate. However, that 90 % was based on the assumption that you will survive the program and receive the letter from the committee. Only half of students passes through the program, and who knows how many of them will receive letters from the committee. That student is now enrolled in a nursing program, whereas, other student who chose Hunter college is now a surgical resident at Mt Sinai West.
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