<p>The “Steinhardt or Tisch” rule is so odd that I couldn’t believe it was real. I called early in the fall, certain I would be told that I had misread something. Nope, no misunderstanding, that’s the rule. Weird.</p>
<p>@vocal1046, I don’t profess to be a Steinhardt expert though my daughter, who is minoring in education (at least I thinks she still is) takes many classes in Steinhardt. I think the majority of her non studio classes are in Steinhardt.</p>
<p>So I hear you about the rule seeming odd but at the same time, the emphasis in studying MT in Tisch vs. Steinhardt really is quite different. People talk about Tisch being huge but actually, Steinhardt is bigger than Tisch by around 2000 students give or take due to a very large post grad professional program emphasis. As far as MT goes, Steinhardt’s website is a gazillion times better than Tisch’s and they do a good job explaining that they are a performance program but they are also first and foremost, NYU’s music school and have been since way before Tisch ever came along. Tisch’s approach to studying drama, even in the MT program in New Studio, is first and foremost about acting. Hence the 6 primary acting studios to 1 MT primary studio ratio.</p>
<p>So anyway, back to the why is the rule weird. Is it? They are pretty different paths that sure, could lead to the same future but how is asking a high school senior what it is they want to study (if declaring a path is required) any more different than say, applying to a school to be a chemistry major and instead deciding you will actually major in biology? Tons of overlap for sure in the basics, but eventually the finer points have their differences. My son actually applied as a biochem major this past year to schools that required him to declare. (Sorry. Here I go on a personal story. I beg everyone’s indulgence yet again.) In some schools he applied to, biochem was NOT in the same quote “college” of the larger university as the biology department which was in life sciences (I think the same was true for chemistry). Biochemistry, was in the engineering department. I don’t know why but it was. And engineering was a tougher admit than life sciences. But isn’t biochemistry just biology + chemistry = biochemistry? Maybe not. I don’t know a thing about any of it.</p>
<p>Anyway, if the Steinhardt or Tisch rule is weird, I don’t think musical theatre has a lock on weirdness. It’s really more indicative of a college or university choosing to make you decide on your path earlier vs. later. Some schools make you pick earlier. Many others, like the wonderful LACs that are all over the country do not. </p>
<p>I regret that this new format for the MT forum pretty much means I never look at the school specific threads any more because I feel like maybe that is where this thread belongs (though there are separate sub threads for Tisch vs. Steinhardt so maybe not). Anyway, I’d be less self-conscious about uber posting on this topic if it was being discussed over there. But now that there is never that cute little indicator that said there is something new to look at in a school specific thread, I almost never look there. Am I the only one who misses that “there is something new here” thing at the top of this forum with the school lists? That was a good feature that should be restored oh CC guru gods that might be reading.</p>
<p>If you choose Steinhardt do you graduate with a BM in MT or BFA?</p>
<p>Don’t get me started on kids making huge life choices when they are far too inexperienced and frankly ill-equipped to do so. The general move toward early differentiation is in direct conflict with what we know about frontal lobe development and decision-making in teenagers. I think it’s overall quite damaging - pressuring children to set a course at a time when their vision of themselves in the future has little to do with any actual knowledge of the world. In any case, although the distinctions between Steinhardt and Tisch may stand in stark contrast to a student or parent at the entry point, I’d guess those points of divergence have minimal impact ten years out in terms of the spectrum of employment. My sense is that we’d find more commonality than difference among the alumni. I’d expect to see similar numbers teaching, about the same size percentage of the group performing, similar percentages from both schools in post-baccalaureate pre-med programs, and so on. It would be interesting to know the inside history of the rule. My money is on a far more administrative purpose than any deep belief that these are profoundly different institutions. I’d bet there was a conflict internally when a particularly desirable candidate was admitted to both schools. Last word, I promise, all of this is filtered through the fact that spouse and I are both employed in ways that have no concrete connection to our BA majors. The education is part of what shaped us into the workers we are but the content areas of those degrees - not so much. </p>
<p>When we did the NYU Open House last month, we were told by Tisch Admissions that you got one and only one shot at applying to your specific major at NYU. In filling out the Common App, D discovered that indeed the paragraph exists asking which other colleges she would be interested in if not admitted to Tisch. The need to choose prior to application is yet another of the stresses to this process. :-S I wonder if students really are admitted to other colleges than those to which they applied as their first choice.</p>
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<p>Hi, moderator here. Guru god? Not quite though. I have asked the true “guru gods” at CC multiple times about this feature that is not like it was on the old CC format for the very same reasons you mention. Without the yellow indicator dot lights that something new is posted on a school specific forum, I have been way less inclined to read those forums for new posts. I figure others feel the same. I’ve been told several times that they are working on this, but a very long time has passed. I can bring it up again, but there is not more that a mod can do. I really hope they fix this. because I imagine less people are checking the school threads than they used to when the indicator lights showed which school forums had new posts. Fingers crossed it gets changed for the better. </p>
<p>toowonderful, I believe the Steinhardt degree is a Bachelor of Music in Vocal Performance, with a specialization in music theatre. Tisch’s, as I’m sure you know but others may not, is a Bachelor of Fine Arts in Drama. The programs are different, the audition process and requirements are different, the curriculum is different, the faculty is different. They really are two distinct programs and students should research both to determine which is what they are looking for in a program. I don’t think I’ve ever met a student or grad who was interested in applying to both programs.</p>
<p>I seem to recall hearing here on the forum that students were now able to indicate that they’d be willing to attend CAS if they were not accepted to Tisch. I don’t know if that’s true or if I dreamed it! It was the first time I heard of it and it certainly was never possible before to indicate a second choice at NYU. That wasn’t just for Tisch but for any applicant. Someone applying to Stern who wasn’t accepted could not indicate that they’d like to be placed in CAS, etc. The only process which I recall the possibility of not being accepted into a desired program and being placed elsewhere was years ago when they had the General Studies program. I don’t think that exists any longer. It was for students who didn’t quite meet the academic standards for the school to which they applied and they would spend two years in this smaller program then, if successful, would transfer into their desired major in junior year. This did not involved Tisch drama, however.</p>
<p>halflokum, I made several requests to the CC gods about the various school forums and the lack of any indication of new posts and I finally gave up. When the changeover happened to the new format, many good features disappeared.</p>
<p>I was watching Passing Strange on Showtime a couple days ago (neat show- but begs the question, why do some shows get recorded and others don’t? Seems strange in the modern age, but I digress) and there is a great line “One morning you wake up and realize your entire adult life is based on a decision made by a teenager”. :)) </p>
<p>@Princesssjpmom with your daughter being a classically trained ballerina does she need to supplement her dance there? From my understanding the dance they take is one beginner dance in each discipline.</p>
<p>toowonderful, I agree with you that Passing Strange is a neat show. Shows generally get filmed for archival purposes but some also get filmed for commercial purposes, like Passing Strange, Memphis and Rent, to name a few. Lincoln Center also films their shows and these are the ones that PBS broadcasts as Live from Lincoln Center. </p>
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<p>That’s a great line.</p>
<p>Shows filmed for the NYPL for the Performing Arts (located at Lincoln Center) are for archival purposes only. They are not part of a circulating collection and are meant to be viewed only by arts professionals and students for purposes of study. These are usually new plays or novel interpretations. Live from Lincoln Center is something else, usually a performance filmed specifically for broadcast on public television. Again, no commercial use, I believe.</p>
<p>I understand how it works - I am just consistently surprised by the shows that are filmed and available and those that are not. After all, Passing Strange, while really enjoyable, was hardly a seminal bway achievement. And I know that show is available b/c Spike Lee was an investor/producer, and then filmed it. Maybe I just wish more were</p>
<p>I know this is going off on a tangent, but to pick up on Passing Strange…perhaps it may not be a seminal Broadway achievement, but it was a rather unique type of show and it had 7 Tony nominations (including for Best Musical) and won for Best Book of a Musical. It had 7 Drama Desk nominations and won 3, including Outstanding Musical. Also, the filming of it by Spike Lee of the performance on stage was done using 14 cameras, and is considered an artistic achievement in itself. I’ve seen the film, but not the live show. My daughter saw it on Broadway when in college and it was one of her favorites. She has gone on to perform with two different actresses from that production, and in fact, is performing with one of them this week. </p>
<p>I agree it is really wonderful when these are filmed such as Passing Strange and Memphis, because I got to see neither on stage and yet have enjoyed both on film. RENT, also filmed, well, in that case, I have seen it in all forms many times! But these films do allow others to see the show who may not have otherwise.</p>
<p>I have nothing against Passing Strange. I did see it live, and thought the filmed version captured the experience well (though the sweat on the faces in HD is a little much) And filming musicals is not what the OP wanted to know about, so I apologize for pulling the discussion off topic. I was just struck by the quote as I read the earlier (On topic) conversation :)</p>
<p>I do think that was a really great quote and I had not heard it before but it is quite true. When I think of college applicants, for example, it is very young to know what you want to do with the next steps of your life. That explains why “undecided major” is the most popular major for college freshmen. On the other hand, there are some young people who have known what they want to do for years and have never wavered (and of course it could still change). I had one kid of each kind. My MT kid has known what she wanted to do since preschool and it never changed and now that she is out of college, she’s doin’ it. But I think more kids than not, really are not ready to commit at such a young age. </p>
<p>Also, when I read that quote, my mind thought of my own experience. I got married at age 20! I can’t imagine my daughters doing that today!</p>
<p>Passing Strange came to Bway from the Public. The piece is seen as important, groundbreaking in fact, in both content and style. Stew and Heidi are considered a very significant figures in the growth of contemporary musical/performance art. Rent is a commercially produced feature film that employs some different actors and is not a recording of a live Broadway or off Broadway performance. Available (as bootlegs, I think) are a variety of other productions (the reunion, Hollywood Bowl etc). These restrictions have to do with films of AEA live performances and how actors must be remunerated for ancillary markets and additional uses. Further exploitation of a union theater production would have to involve SAG-AFTRA and both session fees and residuals. </p>
<p>“Shows filmed for the NYPL for the Performing Arts (located at Lincoln Center) are for archival purposes only. They are not part of a circulating collection and are meant to be viewed only by arts professionals and students for purposes of study. These are usually new plays or novel interpretations.”</p>
<p>Unless something has changed recently, all Broadway productions are recorded and available to view in the NYPL for the Performing Arts at Lincoln Center. They are not circulating. A terrific resource for students.</p>
<p>Again- nothing against Passing Strange. It was a stream of consciousness comment randomly attached to an apt quote.</p>
<p>Didn’t think you were knocking Passing Strange at all. Just noticed that a few different kinds of recording were being conflated. And thanks for the correction @toowonderful</p>
<p>I think vocal1046 edited post #35 after I posted in #36, from which I took the quote, </p>
<p>“Shows filmed for the NYPL for the Performing Arts (located at Lincoln Center) are for archival purposes only. They are not part of a circulating collection and are meant to be viewed only by arts professionals and students for purposes of study. These are usually new plays or novel interpretations.”</p>
<p>So, now the quote I posted makes no sense 
… No worries. Just clarifying for readers who may have missed the initial post #35.</p>