<p>We got owned by a former third string running back that hadn't been practicing QB much. If that, along with Threet's injury, isn't a sign that we should be starting Carlos Brown at QB next week, I don't know what it.</p>
<p>Duke is mediocre in most areas of engineering. Certainly Michigan's engineers are superior to Duke's. Your posts are getting sillier all the time ring<em>of</em>fire.</p>
<p>I bet on Minnesota (-7). Looks like a winner to me. Been making money on Michigan all year long. With Threet out, this is free money.</p>
<p>^haha A2 maybe i should start betting..</p>
<p>Although I would never bet against Michigan, I think your bet is a safe one A2Wolves. Minnesota is looking good this year and Michigan isn't.</p>
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If by mediocre, you mean highly regarded and very personable, then you would be right. Duke's engineers have stronger academic stats than Michigan engineers. There's no denying this. I'm sorry you didn't get into a top 25 school. No need to be jealous.</p>
<p>Duke is one of the finest schools in the nation, and you are clearly talented if you got in. However, ring of fire, I'm surprised a person as well educated as you hasn't developed a sense of humility. There is no reason for you to bash on rjkofnovi personally he/she was stating his/her opinion, Michigan is a good school and you need a great ACT/GPA to get into Michigan engineering as well. Also, while you have the Duke name branded on you so that you can be cocky and put others down, Duke's engineering program is not what it is known for and is ranked lower than Purdue in engineering. Michigan has the 7th best engineering program in the nation and is consistently ranked in the top 10. Congratulations putting down someone you don't even know, because while you have the Duke prestige students from Michigan will most likely have a better job than you in a few years.</p>
<p>The one thing I will agree with ring of fire on though judging from his posts is that some Michigan students are way overrated and don't deserve to be at that school. I know a large amount of people who mooch in through connections, and their parents being large donors pretty much buy their way into the school. So in another aspect, I can see where ring of fire is coming from. The students from Duke generally deserve to be there at their school and really are intelligent. While that is true for most of Michigan's students, I'm going to say nearly 20% of the student body doesn't deserve their spot at Michigan.</p>
<p>You really think there are ~6,000 people at Michigan whose parents donate enough to guarantee their kids admission? The number of people that qualify for that kind of treatment in any given class is closer to 20 than 20%.</p>
<p>EDIT: Also, I have a link that mentions a study done by a Duke professor talking about how their own legacy admits do significantly worse than the regular admits. Unfortunately, it's posted on the website of a competition to CC, so the link get's starred out.</p>
<p>ring. I'm sorry you didn't get into a top 5 school. After those few, nobody is all that impressed. It's funny too. People who go there don't seem to have a need to bash other schools on their sites.</p>
<p>Seriously. How come no Harvard grads come around here hurling unfounded insults? Then, they'd actually have a point. The fact that ring of fire feels this incessant need to bash Michigan speaks volumes of his own insecurity. He realizes Duke is not, nor will it ever be, HYPS caliber and feels he must validate himself by picking on Michigan. What a joke.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, I have a bunch of friends at Duke and not one of them, not even close, is as big a tool as this kid is. They're all really cool, chill kids.</p>
<p>CCRunner, two of my best friends from high school went to Duke. The only boasting they ever did was about their basketball team. But for some reason, several Duke students over the last few years have been posting trash on this forum.</p>
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If by mediocre, you mean highly regarded and very personable, then you would be right. Duke's engineers have stronger academic stats than Michigan engineers. There's no denying this.
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Let's see how highly regarded Duke engineering is in the real world:
Duke undergraduate engineering ranking (source: USNWR)
Overall: 25
Peer Assessment: 3.59
Aerospace: NA
Biomedical: 2
Chemical: NR
Civil: NR
Computer: NR
Electrical: NR
Engr Science: NR
Environmental: 20
Material: NR
Mechanical: NR</p>
<p>And we've established in an earlier thread that many major engineering employers don't even both to come recruite at Duke.</p>
<p>Duke engineers may or may not have stronger academic stats than Michigan engineers coming in; they sure don't fare as well (as engineers) going out.</p>
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I know a large amount of people who mooch in through connections, and their parents being large donors pretty much buy their way into the school.
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I wish this were true ... Michigan would have 80 billions in endowment instead of 8. Btw, are you sure you are not thinking HYP?</p>
<p>Last year I won a pretty big bowl pool because no one in their right mind chose Michigan against Florida. But I'm thinking betting on MI is NOT going to get me far this season. And, uh, certainly not in bowl season, heh.</p>
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I know a large amount of people who mooch in through connections, and their parents being large donors pretty much buy their way into the school.
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<p>Give us a number, just a ballpark. What's a "large number?"</p>
<p>Yes, there are students who get extra consideration under these circumstances. It's not some big unknown here--those students' applications are flagged in the system. What's unknown is what you call "large." </p>
<p>I believe you are either exaggerating, or you've been misled because large numbers of students are perversely lying to you and telling you (for reasons I can't fathom) that their parents bought them in when, in fact, they got in on their own merits. </p>
<p>So please clarify. Out of typical a freshman class of 5,600, about how many got in with this extra consideration? A ballpark number is fine.</p>
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I know a large amount of people who mooch in through connections, and their parents being large donors pretty much buy their way into the school... I'm going to say nearly 20% of the student body doesn't deserve their spot at Michigan.
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Let's say 5% of the student body bought their way in. Let's do the math. These days you need to donate $10B or more to get any attention. So for a freshman class of 5600, Michigan would rake in:</p>
<p>5%x5600x$10B = $2.8B in endowment per year</p>
<p>Geez, Mary Sue can meet her Michigan Difference Campaign target easily in a little over a year!</p>
<p>What is $10B? Is that like 10K or 100K?</p>
<p>pretty sure the "10B" is a typo for "10M", or 10 million.</p>
<p>See, the michigan difference campaign goal is 2.5 billion for fundraising. so the 2.8B at the end must stand for 2.8 billion. then if you take 5% of 5600 people you get 280 people, so just divide...</p>
<p>hehe. You mean if you only give a million nobody pays attention to you anymore? What happened to the good old days?</p>
<p>should be $10M (millions) instead of $10B (billions), my mistake. $1M donation is nice but hardly enough to get any notice when the target is $2.5B.</p>