Tookie Williams

<p>.....well i suppose that this is the end of this thread....just shows how f'd up America is that they would do something like this.......its worse than war</p>

<p>I'm kinda half and half on this one. He did kill 4 people, and it cost the system lots of money to keep him in a high security jail cell for the rest of his life. But I heard that there was some bad forensic work done and it might not have been him. Also, as a Christian, I think it is unfair to "play God" and that everyone should be offered muliple (or at least one) chance for forgiveness and redemption.</p>

<p>Well Weed, maybe you should have offered to pay to keep him in prison. The taxpayers don't want that, so you should have offered to pay out of your pocket huh?</p>

<p>"Children's books? You have to be sincere to write like that"</p>

<p>LOL! Since when does someone have to be sincere to do ANYTHING??</p>

<p>wow...things cost money.....dont go to college then....cuz thats cost u money....and u cant guarantee u'll get anything out of it....but its something that u should try to do</p>

<p>On the money issue, I think I heard somewhere that it costs more with for the government to fight all of someone's appeals than it does to house them for life. I think.
However, I think that it was right to "execute" him. Although the purpose of the death penalty is to deter future crimes, I think that in no way whatsoever will it deter anyone from commiting murder. The two reasons why I believe that he, and all other death row inmates should be executed are 1.) Revenge-it is one of our most primal instincts, but it is one of our strongest. If I was a relative or friend of one of the people he killed, or of any of the people killed by his gang, I would want closure more than anything else, and I believe that for many people, this is the best way to get closure after someone close to them is murdered. 2.)Maximum security isn't absolute security. Wasn't that guy who escaped and killed two people and took a woman hostage on his way to maximum security.
As for the children's books, I don't think tha mean anying. I Michael Jackson wrote a children's book, would that be an appropriate reason to find him innocent? I don't think so.</p>

<p>Sorry if I offended anyone.</p>

<p>an eye for an eye leaves the world blind</p>

<p>Gandhi. Nice work quoting a really awsome dude. Gandhi and Peyton Manning are my two role models. I think that Gandhi's one fatal flaw was that he was a little two idealistic. If Gandhi ever met Tookie Williams while he was with his fellow gang members, they probalby would have shot Gandhi. Although I think that killing people is wrong (duh!), it sometimes is necessary for the betterment of society. I guess that executing him is sort of similar in an odd way to what he and his gang did. Organized murder. Although what his gang did was just kill random, innocent people for gang members' initiation. Tookie Williams wasn't innocent.</p>

<p>o yea...im not sayin that he didnt commit them.............haha imagine if ur role models teamed up to fight crime?</p>

<p>Peyton would subdue the criminals by hitting them in the head with hard passes (although not as hard as Favre's passes, which supposedly result in numerous broken bones for his receivers), then he and Gandhi would walk hundreds of miles to the Midwest and build their own jail (so they wouldn't have to use a jail owned by the "British Imperialists"), then put the criminal in the jail, and then go back to fighting crime. Next would be "The adventures of Gandhi and Peyton, Part II.</p>

<p>haha are there guest appearances by eli?</p>

<p>Maybe in Part III. Gotta think of how Gandhi gains the ability to fly and x-ray vision in Part II first.</p>

<p>he isnt eating food that would normally block out the radiation where they built the jail?</p>

<p>Okay, then in Part III, Eli comes, but keeps on throwing the ball to the criminals instead of at them (interceptions) at crucial parts in the episode, and Gandhi, a small man disregarded by almost everyone (like the Giants' kicker) has to come in and save Eli.</p>

<p>I could care less about the execution. Being remorseful after murdering someone doesn't touch my heart because the murderer killed on purpose at the time of the crime. So feeling bad after the crime doesn't mean anything for me, but it can play on your emotions and affect how you respond to the person and the crime. When I say I could care less what I mean is if he was given life in prison..good. If executed...well-deserved. As a founder of the Crips gang he is responsible for setting in motion nothing more than waves of crime that have spread through the decades. That alone deserves a very severe punishment in my book. And I don't bring any religious rules into it. I have no proof that there is justice in the afterlife so I think it is our duty to do justice in this life. The problem is that everyone has a different opinion of what justice is. Why do humans have to be so emotionally complex?</p>

<p>"an eye for an eye leaves the world blind"</p>

<p>......yeah enough said</p>

<p>I think that a large number of tookie supporters were crips gang members (oh and snoop dogg....***?), but anyway by killing their leader it shows that they arent invincible and may even be a deterent...hey its better to try than to not.</p>

<p>Think about the chain of events he set off just by being one of the people to start that gang (crips). I'm a raving liberal, but I don't think that his writing a few childrens books makes up for the thousands of inner city youth that he helped sacrifice to the gang craze, whether they were killed by gang members, or became them because it was 'cool'. We're getting too caught up in pitying the killer, and not thinking about all the victims that would still be alive if it weren't for him.</p>

<p>there is really no significant evidence that he has changed. btw this is a purely economical perspective but have you guys thought how much money it takes to actually feed all those people who are sentenced to life in prison? where does that money come from? your pockets as taxes. If u execute someone, u have to pay less to feed those prisoners. Already the prison budget has surpassed the education budgets in certain states. We should think where we r spending our money into.
this is a perspective that people tend to ignore. surely there r other perspectives but the economical perspective should not be ignored.</p>

<p>Although I am for the death penalty in all cases and to me I personally think it should be enforced a lot more, but there is a "funny" thing about it.
One of the requirements of a democracy is that a government does not kill its citizens. We are the only democracy in the world that does it (In addition, we do a lot of other odd things for a democracy). Just an interesting note... :)</p>

<p>thats why america isn't a democracy....stopped being one a long time ago</p>