<p>After reading the thread about the best Ivy for science I was thinking that there ought to just be a discussion of the top ten for science overall.</p>
<p>I would think that MIT, Cornell, Princeton, Cal Tech, and Harvey Mudd(no particular order to this listing) would be on there. Not sure what others, perhaps Berkeley. What do you all think?</p>
<p>What kind of science? Berkeley and Chicago are both excellent for physics.</p>
<p>Just natural sciences in general.</p>
<p>harvard, stanford, cal, mit, caltech</p>
<p>WUSTL is great too</p>
<ol>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>UC Berkeley</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>UIUC</li>
<li>Purdue</li>
</ol>
<p>flopsy, no offense, but my guess is that your field is not related to science, right :)?</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Duke/John hopkins etc etc</li>
</ol>
<p>Johns Hopkins* rtky, I think flopsy's was a bit more accurate than yours.</p>
<p>I agree with you Marines, I think of both of Harvard and Chicago as more of those kids who like the books and not the labs</p>
<p>And, as usual, I'll be the contrarian and list some great schools for undergraduate sciences that aren't research universities:</p>
<p>Carleton, Smith, Oberlin, Bates, Bucknell, Hope College (MIch), St. Olaf, Dickinson, Davidson, Franklin & Marshall, Whitman, Haverford, LAwrence U, Swarthmore, Reed, Rhodes, Trinity College (CT), Trinity U (Texas), College of Wooster, Union College, Mt.Holyoke, Amherst, Furman, Lafayette, Colgate, Grinnell, Knox College, Hamilton, Earlham, Kenyon, Union, Williams.</p>
<p>MIT, Berkeley,Harvard, Stanford, Cornell, Princeton, are the big names that come to mind. Caltech is too small...no way it can compete with the traditional names, except on a pound for pound basis. The others simply have too much volume of research for caltech to compete with.</p>
<p>Sorry Hopkins' boy, JHU and Duke are quite dominant at Bio, however, for other science subjects, i.e. physics, chem, math, appl math, appl physics, geo, etc etc, they are weaker than other universities in my list. Like reading books more than doing lab works has nothing to do with prowess in science. As far as I know, Einstein did no lab works.</p>
<p>Natural sciences is definitely Duke, MIT, Stanford, and Johns Hopkins.
I always Cornell was more for engineering?</p>
<p>golubb_u,</p>
<p>Please check how many Nobel laureate Caltech has in science fields. Also check who is in charge of NASA JPL lab. Obviously you have no exposure in this field. If Caltech research science does not compete with the others in hollistic view, do you think Caltech is famous for its liberal arts?</p>
<p>jpps, Natural Science often include Math, Chemistry and Physics, and really there's no way Duke and Johns Hopkins on the top except may be for bio (please do not mix medical school).</p>
<p>Well, seeing as I'm not a sciences person, I took "natural sciences" to mean organic chemistry, biology, cell biology...</p>
<p>Those who know me on this forum know that I have an allergic reaction to Rtksyg, but in this particular situation, I agree with him. It is not possible to have a top 5 list for top science universities without including CalTech and Harvard. The other three that beloing in the top 5 are Cal-Berkeley, Stanford and MIT. Looking in are Cornell, Princeton and Chicago.</p>
<p>Hahaha d**n, Alexandre, you take me as pollens :)</p>
<p>Caltech is amoung the top. Even though they are a small school they have an increadible amount of funding and research. For Geology, Physics, and Astronomy CalTech is by far the best. About research, CalTech owns the world largest Telecscope, and will be building an even larger one, CalTech is home to JPL, CalTech scientist and graduates have contributed more to the siences than many of the other top schools.</p>
<p>"A recent editorial in Science magazine (vol. 293, Aug. 2001) pointed out that nationwide only about 8% of undergraduates major in science. It went on to say, "For the decade 1986 through 1995, the proportional Ph.D. productivity of undergraduate institutions was far higher than that of the research universities; the top five included four liberal arts colleges." At Swarthmore, more than 30% of the student body major in science, mathematics, or engineering. And Swarthmore ranks 4th in the percentage of undergraduates who go on to earn a Ph.D. in the sciences."</p>
<p>That ought to put Swarthmore on the list.</p>