<p>cause he knows you go to cornell and way exaggerate the quality of your school.... then u criticize duke student for exaggerating the quality of their school... there's a word for that... </p>
<p>oh yea, hypocrite...</p>
<p>Uh... I'm not putting down other schools here like Duke students do. I don't care if Duke students exaggerate the quality of their school.... it's just that they exaggerate and bash other schools like Berkeley, etc. at the same time. These are prestige rankings... and well... you're entitled to have your own opinion.</p>
<p>And Danieltennis, I'm sorry I wrote that whole bit about Duke students aggrandizing their school. It turns out that Bacchanalia was a troll like you mentioned- he was actually a resurgence of EAD. I misjudged you Duke guys on one stupid fool and I realized that now so I'm sorry about that.</p>
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<ol> <li>Harvard</li> <li>Yale</li> <li>Princeton</li> <li>Stanford</li> <li>Columbia</li> <li>MIT</li> <li>Duke</li> <li>Notre Dame</li> <li>Cornell</li> <li>Georgetown</li> <li>Penn</li> <li>Brown</li> <li>Dartmouth</li> <li>Northwestern</li> <li>Hopkins</li> <li>Wash U
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<p>Z-score, it looks like you held Cornell in higher regards than Brown too. So why then are you questioning my opinion?</p>
<p>I would defenitely argue that cornell is a MUCH better institution that Brown or Duke, and at that even columbia, dartmouth, chicago and penn.</p>
<p>and MIT should defenitely be considered more prestigious than columbia</p>
<p>rd31 had a great post a few pages ago. I was just going to add in the opinions of the wealthy and education....I do not think there is a doubt that Cornell has the rep of being the "worst" ivy. Its not more prestigious than duke or Penn or Columbia or Dartmouth or Brown.....at best case their peers. Those like refugee seeking to argue that cornell is much better than Brown or Duke or Columbia or Penn are completely biased....cornell has a lower endowment, bigger classes, higher acceptance rate ect..
These are my rankings...I think people here over rank Hopkins and Northwestern and under rank Wash U
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<p>Cornell actually has a bigger endowment that Brown and Dartmouth. It's endowment is about as big as Penn's, coming in at about 6 billion and is growing very quickly- a 4 billion dollar fund raiser campaign was planned titled "far above cayuga's waters." You're entitled to have your own opinion but don't judge based on facts you don't really know.</p>
<p>my apologies. I meant to say endowment per student, which many people on cc seem to think is the only thing that matters. (cornell is the largest ivy)</p>
<p>Yeah but on a per capita basis Dartmouth is almost 4 times as rich as Cornell. Per CAPITA is what matters. I feel as if Cornell fans look at the school with graduate-stat driven goggles. Also Bescraze I have no idea why you think Penn is on a higher tier than Dartmouth. Dartmouth is better than Penn (selectivity, endowment per student, etc) at every stat you are pushing trying to say lowers Cornell.</p>
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<p>I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Care to explain?</p>
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<p>I feel that it is has a better reputation overrall. I think Dartmouth is a fabulous university, don't get me wrong. I do feel that they are very similarly ranked schools (it with Brown are like in the middle of the tiers in my mind) This is a very subjective opinion, but from everything I have heard it just seems that Penn is more highly regarded when it comes to job recruitment. Mainly, this is because Penn is very pre-profressional and maybe this only extends to the business sector in jobs like ibanking and hedgefunds....but it just seems to be the consensus.</p>
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Actually, Penn's endowment is significantly larger. As of the end of fiscal year 2007 (the latest year for which we have official numbers), Penn's endowment was $6.6 billion, and Cornell's was $5.4 billion:</p>
<p>Further, Penn is also in the midst of a major capital campaign, with a low-ball target of $3.5 billion (Penn ususally sets low campaign targets and then raises them during the course of its campaigns), of which it has already raised $2.09 billion after only 9 months of the public phase and with 4 years left to go.</p>
<p>Just to set the record straight. :)</p>
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<p>No actually, both Dartmouth and Cornell do extremely well in this regard. Maybe if you're in Wharton this may be true, but Dartmouth and Cornell do just as well as non-Wharton Penn in job placement.</p>
<p>Bescraze, Dartmouth does incredibly well in business. It doesn't do worse than Penn.</p>
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<p>I've never heard of anyone overrating Hopkins and Northwestern over WashU. The general consensus is that WashU is a highly overrated school gives its position on the USNWR ranking. By your statement overrated, are you stating that WashU's position should be elevated to match its stature, because certaintly no one on this board thinks WashU is on par with Columbia, Dartmouth, Chicago, or any of the Ivy league top ten schools. For instance, WashU's PA score is a 4.1 versus Northwestern's PA score of 4.3 and Johns Hopkins' PA score of 4.6</p>
<p>The staggering difference between these PAs alone should tell you the perception academia hold with respect to each institutions. How on earth is WashU more underrated with respect to those other instituions?</p>
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Actually, Penn's endowment is significantly larger. As of the end of fiscal year 2007 (the latest year for which we have official numbers), Penn's endowment was $6.6 billion, and Cornell's was $5.4 billion:</p>
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<p>Further, Penn is also in the midst of a major capital campaign, with a low-ball target of $3.5 billion (Penn ususally sets low campaign targets and then raises them during the course of its campaigns), of which it has already raised $2.09 billion after only 9 months of the public phase and with 4 years left to go.</p>
<p>Just to set the record straight.
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<p>Well 45 percenter, the data you provided was for the year 2007. Keep in mind that since then, Cornell has raised even more than 2.09 billion for its "Far Above" campaign, and targets that it'll raise 4 billion dollars.</p>
<p>Per Capita is not all that matters. Economies of scale kick in BIG TIME. Do you really think Amherst, with its endowment per capita of $1 million/student, can do more than s school like Penn, with its endowment per student of $300,000? I don't think so. </p>
<p>And let us not forget that Cornell's statutory colleges receives hundreds of millions of dollars in state funding. </p>
<p>"Yeah but on a per capita basis Dartmouth is almost 4 times as rich as Cornell."</p>
<p>Slipper, when I last checked, Dartmouth's endowment per capita was roughly twice (2.4 times to be precise) larger than Cornell's, not 4 times.</p>
<p>Bescraze, Cornell is not the largest Ivy. That honor goes to Columbia. Cornell has 21,000 students. Columbia has 25,000 students. And Penn (with its 20,000 students) and Harvard (with its 19,000 students) aren't much smaller.</p>
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<p>Slipper, when I last checked, Dartmouth's endowment per capita was roughly twice (2.4 times to be precise) larger than Cornell's, not 4 times.
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<p>I didn't see this comment, but yes absolute value of the endowment does matter much more. Why do you think Dartmouth can't build the impressive facilities that Cornell has been able to build? For example, take Cornell's state-of-the-art nanotechnology Duffield facilities. Plenty of undergrads get to do research there and they are second to none. Look at how well Cornell's engineering and other sciences programs are funded. Does Dartmouth even have an engineering program? Cornell has been able to expand internationally because of its large, absolute endowment whereas Dartmouth has not been able to do so, with it's Weill Cornell medical campus in Qatar.</p>
<p>Additionally, look at Penn. Penn was just able to build impressive biotechnology facilities(Skirkanich) and Huntsman Hall, an impressive business building, was built some time ago for Wharton students. Dartmouth hasn't been able to do many of the things Penn and Cornell have done with their large endowments.</p>
<p>What the! BankersBall quoted me! The data in that second to last link in post 1057 were compiled by me.</p>