<p>Haha shows how official bankersball is... quoting somebody off of CC.</p>
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By the same token, for undergraduate, I went to a school with a top-ranked program in my major...I don't care if my alma mater has a fantastic English, physics or math department (but it just so happens that it does, and that's nice to know too).</p>
<p>LOL Alexandre, thats great. lol</p>
<p>Dude that's awesome alexandre. Yeah Dartmouth kicks ass for ibanking. If you were to rank schools based off of how heavily recruited they were, i'd say Dartmouth would probably the 4th/5th school. (After H, W, P, and possibly duke.. although it seems like D places a lot better in consulting).</p>
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Actually, according to its "Far Above" web site, Cornell has to date raised $2.24 billion--compared to Penn's $2.09 billion--and the public phase of Cornell's campaign began in October 2006, a full year before Penn's began in October 2007:</p>
<p>Far</a> Above... The Campaign for Cornell
Cornell</a> launches $4B campaign
Penn</a> : Making History
"Making</a> History": University of Pennsylvania Sets Five-Year Fundraising Goal of $3.5 Billion: University of Pennsylvania</p>
<p>So it's taken Penn a year less than Cornell to raise a similar amount, and Penn still has 4 years left in its campaign, compared to Cornell's 3 years.</p>
<p>Again, just to set the record straight. :)</p>
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<p>The staggering difference between these PAs alone should tell you the perception academia hold with respect to each institutions. How on earth is WashU more underrated with respect to those other instituions?
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<p>We have discussed this to death. PA is not an all-important number as it specifically refers to the opinions of academia, which is fine if you want to become a professor, but otherwise is rather irrelevant. I believe that Hopkins, Northwestern, Wash U and Cornell are peer schools. I believe wash U is a top 15 university and gets an unfair rep on these boards. It is much more selective than Hopkins and I believe even more than Northwestern as well. I know plenty of people who turned down Hopkins for Wash U in the NE and many people here make it out to be like Hopkins is a superior school. Maybe by a purely academic standard, but in regards to prestige or future opportunities (outside egineering or math/science) I highly doubt that. I do not think Wash U is as good as Dartmouth or Columbia, but I also think Chicago a school that has a fairly high acceptance rate and a school that is not very well known gets a lot higher rep here than it may in the real world. Its a very serious academic institution, but outside academia I am not sure how far its influence really goes in comparison to those other top schools you mentioned. I believe that those schools I mentioned are worse than the tier under HYP, but make up some of the best universities after that.....and in this regard it seems that Wash U is left out more than it probably should.</p>
<p>Go away. Freaking high schoolers.</p>
<p>Bescraze, do you consider anything other than acceptance rate in deciding what makes a college prestigious or not? Chicago has a good amount of prestige in the outside world.</p>
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<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Duke </li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>UPenn(because most people besides northeastern people and CC members think it's Pennsylvania State, but it's still an Ivy)</li>
<li>UCLA (it's very popular)</li>
<li>University of Chicago</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
</ol>
<p>^^ I can agree with most of that. (Penn is often mistaken for Penn State, U Chicago has little layman prestige, WUStL doesn't belong in the top 15 for prestige, Caltech is very much a niche school in prestige, and so on.)</p>
<p>Repeating part of an earlier post, prestige for the "lay person" is: </p>
<p>Notre Dame
Michigan
Florida
USC
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<p>You get the picture. The person on the street is likely to have heard of Harvard and perhaps Yale (they both old and come from that weak athletic conference in the east), beyond that it all comes down to football.</p>
<p>^Exactly. I made a list that accounted solely for layman's prestige, and it was completely ignored. =)</p>
<p>Actually, Michigan has a very high Peer Assessment score (close to Columbia's if I remember correctly), so I guess that makes it prestigious among both laymen and academic peers.</p>
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Repeating part of an earlier post, prestige for the "lay person" is:</p>
<p>Notre Dame
Michigan
Florida
USC
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<p>You get the picture. The person on the street is likely to have heard of Harvard and perhaps Yale (they both old and come from that weak athletic conference in the east), beyond that it all comes down to football.
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<p>You "misunderestimate" the intelligence of the average lay person. I give Americans a little, but just a little, more credit than that. ;)</p>
<p>What is a "good" peer assessment score?</p>
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rd31 had a great post a few pages ago. I was just going to add in the opinions of the wealthy and education....I do not think there is a doubt that Cornell has the rep of being the "worst" ivy.
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<p>Except that no one over the age of 18 actually thinks about or uses the expression "the worst Ivy." It's about as stupid as looking at the top 10 hotel destionations in the world and looking at #10 and calling it the "worst luxury hotel experience."</p>
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This is a very subjective opinion, but from everything I have heard it just seems that Penn is more highly regarded when it comes to job recruitment. Mainly, this is because Penn is very pre-profressional and maybe this only extends to the business sector in jobs like ibanking and hedgefunds....but it just seems to be the consensus.
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<p>Of course you think that way. Your mother went there!! LOL.
Newsflash: There is more to Penn than Wharton.</p>
<p>I heart Penn myself, but c'mon ... your mother went to Penn and so you rate it highly. Who in your family went to Wash U?</p>
<p>I would say the average idiot at michigan is dumber than the average idiot at an ivy league...Michigan has some dumbasses because of the high acceptance rate, but then again, there are kids that are flat out brilliant...</p>
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What is a "good" peer assessment score?
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4.8 or higher... :D</p>
<p>Isn't that like HYPSM + Cal? lol</p>
<p>They are all fine schools. I'd say 4.6 :-) give a little sway to JHU and company.</p>