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Harvard
Yale
Princeton (yes, I believe that Yale is more prestigious than Princeton as Princeton is the odd one out of the Big 3. Harvard and Yale have been rivals forever and Princeton is the underdog that happened to make it to the top)
Columbia
Brown
Dartmouth
Upenn
Cornell
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<p>Your list goes exactly by acceptance rate. Not that insightful.</p>
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As for Cornell, many, many people consider it to be the back door to the ivy league. It's a commonly held belief (inside and outside of my high school) that people apply to Cornell because they know its (relatively) easy to get in and they can still say they went to an ivy. Cornell is the "stupid ivy" (even though there's no such thing).
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<p>Wow .... I knew Cornell wasn't popular with high schoolers, but that is unbelievable. People are actually called CU the "Stupid ivy" ?!!? Cornell needs to seriously work on its image if things are that bad.</p>
<p>^To be honest, it's similar at my school. The top students at my school don't apply to Cornell as much as HYPS, Dartmouth, and Brown. Cornell gets the fewest apps out of all Ivies (Naviance is wonderful), and the students who apply are generally almost top, but not quite.</p>
<p>Naviance? What's that?</p>
<p>It tracks acceptances from your school, and plots GPA v. SAT on scattergrams so you can see which people (anonymous) got in, deferred, waitlisted, rejected, etc. It helps because you can generally see trends: This college waitlists top students from my school, or cares WAY more about GPA than SAT, or only takes top students, etc. It has profiles of tons of colleges, yield and acceptance rates from your school, application organization and deadline tools, etc.</p>
<p>Oh crap. That's what I get for living in the south....</p>
<p>Based on 2008 US-NEWS graduate school ranking in business, medicine, education, law, engineering, math, physics, chem, bio, geosience, computer science, English, history, politics, econ, psycology, and sociology.</p>
<p>Round 1: Duke vs Harvard
The score is 0:17. Harvard wins hands down.</p>
<p>Round 2: Duke vs Stanford
Duke wins in medicine and` Stanford wins the rest. The score is 1:16. Stanford wins hands down.</p>
<p>Round 3: Duke vs Berkeley
Duke wins in medicine and Berkeley wins the rest. The score is 1:16. Berkeley wins hands down.</p>
<p>Round 4: Duke vs MIT
Duke wins in medicine, law, education, English, history, politics, and sociology. MIT wins the rest. The score is 7:10. MIT wins.</p>
<p>Round 5: Duke vs Princeton
Duke wins in business, medicine, law, education, and biology. Princeton wins the rest. The score is 5:12. Princeton wins.</p>
<p>Round 6: Duke vs Yale
Duke wins in business, medicine, education, engineering, sociology, and computer science. Princeton wins the rest. The score is 6:11. Yale wins.</p>
<p>So, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, Princeton, and Yale all beat Duke. </p>
<p>Is Duke the best after them? We will need to compare Duke with Caltech, Columbia, Chicago, Cornell, Penn, JHU, CMU, Michigan, UCLA, Wisconsin, UIUC, Minnesota, and UCSD. Stay tuned.</p>
<p>^ Why? You're missing the point. Duke could be a craphole. It could have one degree: Sleeping in class degree. That doesn't change its current prestige one iota. Why are you arguing about academic quality when it's completely irrelevant to this discussion?</p>
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<p>Can you cite the methodology of the NYTIMES data if you're going to claim things like they had a small sampling size?</p>
<p>There is nothing academic at all about your Duke survey. You know how flawed the data collected by the Duke director is? You fill out a card and send it back to Duke. If you turn down Duke, what incentive do you have to fill out that card? Columbia and Penn had the same policies and I did not fill out their similar cards when I turned them down. Why? I have no incentive to fill out cards for those schools if I'm not attending. Who's to say many didn't do the same for Duke? </p>
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Duke's Admissions Director has stated before I believe in an interview that more than 3 out of every 4 cross admits between Cornell, Duke, JHU, Georgetown and Berkeley choose Duke.
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<p>Uhhh... I can word statistics to make them look favorable to Cornell as well. Here it goes:</p>
<p>3/4 cross admits between Cornell and the following schools chose Cornell: Harvard, Penn State, Rutgers, UT. You see? Statistics is all about how you word things.</p>
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Anecdotally speaking, I have heard of only a couple of people choosing Cornell over Duke out of maybe 25 people who were admitted to both schools and went to one of them.
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<p>You want anecdotes? I've NEVER heard of a person choosing Duke over Cornell. Every other person I meet on the Cornell campus turned down Duke for Cornell.</p>
<p>"^ Why? You're missing the point. Duke could be a craphole. It could have one degree: Sleeping in class degree. That doesn't change its current prestige one iota. Why are you arguing about academic quality when it's completely irrelevant to this discussion?"</p>
<p>That's what I've been trying to say the whole time.</p>
<p>"You want anecdotes? I've NEVER heard of a person choosing Duke over Cornell. Every other person I meet on the Cornell campus turned down Duke for Cornell."</p>
<p>I did ^_^
I visited Cornell twice too cause it is so awesome. I just liked Duke more though.</p>
<p>Your list goes exactly by acceptance rate. Not that insightful.</p>
<p>I made that list without looking at anything. And last time I checked Columbia had a lower acceptance rate than Princeton, yet I still ranked it lower. Just some food for thought...</p>
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Cornell gets the fewest apps out of all Ivies
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This is incorrect.
In fact, CU receives the most apps out of all ivies.</p>
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Duke beats every other school in general prestige among normal folks in the country hands down.
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<p>Who cares about general prestige? Who cares about Normal folks? I sure as hell don't because they won't be the ones hiring me.</p>
<p>What you wanna be able to make small talk with that uncle you don't see too often? If you tell him you love your time at Duke, chances are he'll say: "Wow, don't they have a great basketball team? Have fun watching them play basketball" instead of "Wow you must be smart if you go to Duke." </p>
<p>General prestige doesn't matter. Even if it does, Duke's general prestige hinges highly on basketball, not academics.</p>
<p>"This is incorrect.
In fact, CU receives the most apps out of all ivies."</p>
<p>From my school. That's what I said. The whole paragraph was talking about my experience with people who love Ivies.</p>
<p>"Who cares about general prestige? Who cares about Normal folks? I sure as hell don't."</p>
<p>That's nice. I don't care. Let's set limits: Are we talking about layman prestige, academic prestige, sports prestige, what? We wouldn't have such huge disagreements if we are arguing about the same thing.</p>
<p>Who cares about general prestige? Who cares about Normal folks? I sure as hell don't because they won't be the ones hiring me.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that general prestige was the whole point of this thread to begin with...</p>
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That's nice. I don't care. Let's set limits: Are we talking about layman prestige, academic prestige, sports prestige, what?
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<p>How about academic prestige since it is the most important out of the three you mentioned?</p>
<p>Laymen's prestige doesn't really matter unless you want to make small talk with that uncle of yours you don't see too often. Sports prestige? I'll give that to Stanford and Duke, hands down.</p>
<p>"How about academic prestige since it is the most important out of the three you mentioned?"</p>
<p>Arguable. But sure, we can do that. I wouldn't know, because I'm not yet in college. But I would love to hear opinions.</p>
<p>And layman's prestige may not matter, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it.</p>
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Duke's general prestige hinges highly on basketball, not academics.
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I think Duke has both a major basketball program and great academics. The two aren't mutually exclusive. In my experience, Duke is recognized for both.</p>
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Who cares about general prestige? Who cares about Normal folks? I sure as hell don't because they won't be the ones hiring me.
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<p>Wow I actually agree with Brown man for once. Pro Consul is way out there, Duke is in no way more prestigious than Stanford and that is probably one of most absurd assertions I have heard on CC. It has a fantastic reputation, especially in the South and I firmly believe it is a great school, but your taking this to a ridiculous level. Also who cares what normal people think honestly, its the same if they don't know U penn....their obviously either uneducated or uninterested and in either case they are irrelevant.</p>
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Its funny my school has the same opinion of Cornell, but it has the most apps and highest acceptance rate over the past 5 years (around that maybe less) on Naviance. Just to demonstrate, 53/145 kids were accepted and the average SAT was 1998, and the average GPA was substantially lower than every other Ivy. Penn is 26/114 with an average SAT of of 2080, Columbia is 12/36 with an average of 1450 (does not list others), brown is 23/124 with an average of 2176 and Dartmouth is 16/88 with an average SAT of 2090. This is just an example (a small one at that). But, at my school the gigantic amount of Cornell acceptances as well as the very low standards lower its prestige fairly significantly. O and I realize this data is very specific, I just thought it was interesting</p>