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<p>lol... you know we're right when the both of us agree.</p>
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Also who cares what normal people think honestly....their obviously either uneducated or uninterested and in either case they are irrelevant.
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<p>lol.</p>
<p>The</a> American Scholar - The Disadvantages of an Elite Education - By William Deresiewicz</p>
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gigantic amount of Cornell acceptances as well as the very low standards
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<p>Is CC so elite obsessed, that a 20% acceptance rate is "gigantic"</p>
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Is CC so elite obsessed, that a 20% acceptance rate is "gigantic"
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<p>Yea I really don't get it... 20% is still better than Duke's 23%(or 21% for this year) yet everyone seems to regard Duke highly on CC... kind of weird if you ask me. If you don't consider Cornell's agriculture, and Humec schools, it's acceptance rates would be even lower, probably about 15%.</p>
<p>I didn't say that they were known throughout the whole country. Maybe if you read my post rather then become so defensive you can see that I was talking about prestige in the Northeast, not nationally. I recognize that U of M and UChicago, etc. are incredible schools and that they may be in the top of their fields in some areas. However, I am just saying that no one in the Northeast thinks of them as prestigious. The only prestigious schools outside the Northeast that are recognized are sports schools. Not to make New Englanders look cocky, but being the primary host of the Ivy League, having MIT, Bowdoin, BC, Williams, Amherst, and many other renown universities, we don't usually look beyond our borders for acedemic prestige except for the biggies like Stanford. This is simply because we have enough around us. At the same time, it is obvious that there are incredible schools outside the Northeast, and I'm not disputing that. I'm just pointing out how many Northeasterners view colleges. Many of my friends have never even heard of UChicago or half of the western schools that many find prestigious. I am going completely on the "wow factor" in the Northeast, as I mentioned in my other post. No need to bring up arms. For New England, Amherst and Williams are respected just as highly as the Ivies and in some respects even higher. I understand that they are not well-known nationally due to their minimal size, but that wasn't my point. </p>
<p>Oh, and Cornell is more prestigious then Brown, hands down.</p>
<p>I think this just goes to show that prestige is in the eye of the beholder. We're never going to agree on which school is more prestigious than the other. Our opinions will always be different on this matter.</p>
<p>"Also who cares what normal people think"</p>
<p>Only academics should be able to vote. People shouldn't even have rights if they've never heard of University of Chicago.</p>
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<p>I was referring to my school, where its admissions standards are low. It has a 33% acceptance rate, 1998 average SAT acceptance rate and a substantially lower GPA than the other Ivies. I was not referring to overall. Also goblue your point is stupid. We are not talking about voting for president, but about who really will matter in your life. The employer at the job you seek or the mailman or factory worker. The employer is the only one that you care if he knows about your school (well more or less...)</p>
<p>"Only academics should be able to vote. People shouldn't even have rights if they've never heard of University of Chicago."</p>
<p>^^ Thats possibly the most wisest comment I've seen all day.</p>
<p>True, beyound HYPSM (which quite commonly on these boards and possibly throughout the world is seen to be the universial top US schools in the nation), everything beyond HYPSM is subject to individual and regional bias.</p>
<p>Let academics who know their their own reputation and the reputational standings of their peer schools do the deciding.</p>
<p>I wouldn't want to look like a complete fool to argue that UPenn vs. MIT dual with any of my academic professors anytime soon. lol</p>
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^^ Thats possibly the most wisest comment I've seen all day.
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<p>He was actually being sarcastic though... lol.</p>
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I think this just goes to show that prestige is in the eye of the beholder. We're never going to agree on which school is more prestigious than the other. Our opinions will always be different on this matter.
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<p>I think that's a great stopping point for the thread, although I hope it didn't really take 1170 posts to reach that conclusion...</p>
<p>I think it would be good to take a survey right about now. Who's opinions changed because of this thread? Not mine</p>
<p>Changed-0
Didn't change-1</p>
<p>Update the tally with whether or not this thread has changed your opinion on prestige.</p>
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Didn't change - 2</p>
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<p>Haha, lets do this rate the top 10 schools in your own opinion and do not defend them or substantiate them at all. I am just curious what people think.</p>
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HYPS, penn, columbia, Duke, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell,</p>
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<p>I did learn something new. Its that we cannot all agree to the same conclusions beyound HYPSM.</p>
<p>I also learned that people disregard PA scores so readily when it doesn't fit their assertions or what they think is right.</p>
<p>Sometimes to certain ppl, PA scores can be a sore thumb that you can justify by attacking the subjective and mindless methology and reject it and substitute with you own reality. lol</p>
<p>Ppl are crazy. PA scores support the first HYSPM lines....but then everything else changes. lol "PA scores are sooooo damn flawed, blah blah blah". For what it is, Its actually the best measure we've got. Its weight is substantial as well :)</p>
<p>i think a lot of people view MIT as being on the same level as Harvard in terms of prestige and i think stanford follows closely behind and above yale and princeton. as for duke, despite what some people seem to think, it certainly ranks as one of the most prestigious and well known institutions in the nation.</p>
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Round 3: Duke vs Berkeley
Duke wins in medicine and Berkeley wins the rest. The score is 1:16. Berkeley wins hands down.
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<p>Uh, I think Duke is a great school and I don't know how meaningful these kinds of tightly parsed rankings are....but I had to point out that technically Berkeley has no medical school. It's not that the medical school is substandard.</p>
<p>If you decide to count UC San Francisco (UCSF) as Berkeley's med school -- which is actually reasonable since it is effectively Berkeley's de facto med school, UCSF typically outranks Duke med by just a bit. They are very comparable, but by no means does Duke "win" in this case.</p>
<p>UCSF is the premier med school on the West Coast, outranking UCLA, Stanford, and University of Washington.</p>
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High school students can now go directly into graduate school. Berkeley becomes the most popular school.
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<p>Ohhh, oh, terrible pain! </p>
<p>Thank God, I was merely just dreaming....</p>
<p>^ Harvard did have a 225 year head start against MIT. Yale with 160 years and Princeton with 119 years.</p>
<p>In Cambridge, MA for example, Harvard and MIT are not in the same level of plane to the average layman person. They are both great universities, sorry, but MIT cannot compare to prestige of Harvard even in Cambridge based on my entire life living here. :) Personally, I think MIT culture is better than Harvard, and MIT could possible afford me a better education than Harvard. MIT is still #1 in my heart, but still, thats not what everyone else thinks in my HS.</p>
<p>You see, the "I thinks that a lot of people" and "despite what some ppl seem to think" doesn't quite cut it. Its just based on a single persons individual opinion. To generalize and speak for a broad group of individuals....each with a different knowledge base and even definition of prestige is just too simple and its really easier just to look back and say...you go to a great university than to quibble over the minute things in life. Thats what you learn what you actually get to college, no one gives a damn whether or not Stanford is a tiny bit under you or Yale and Princeton are a notch above us. No one cares, you will look like a baloney head if you ever bring that up. lol</p>
<p>Most of the conversations that occur here, if you ever bring it up with your college pals, the intense fervor about ranking schools above and below the next and comparisons between the each, you'd be scoffed at and infact probably disgust your friends with your extensive knowledge base and you might actually looking a prestige driven brat. No one takes it that seriously in real life.</p>