<p>High School/ Snr class # / SAT comb / Ivy, SM &SWAP / In-State
Collegiate NY 52 NA 57% 14%
St Pauls NH ~133 NA 42% 8%
Deerfield ~165 NA 38% 20%
Chapin NY 41 NA 37% 19%
Andover MA 315 1363 30% 19%
College Prep CA 80 1437 29% 53%
Delbarton NJ 101 NA 29% 11%
Lawrenceville NJ ~190 NA 26% 6%
Milton MA 181 NA 26% 27%
Groton CT 87 1390 24% 24%
Episcopal Acad PA 115 1298 22% 32%
Thacher CA ~53 1300 21% 34%
Choate CT 201 ~1300 20% 15%
Gilman MD 99 1345 20% 23%
Pine Crest FLA 126 1327 19% 34%
San Francisco Univ HS 113 1337 19% 47%
Haverford PA 79 1290 16% 45%
Shipley PA 78 NA 15% 29%
John Burroughs MO 97 1380 14% 23%
Peddie NJ ~130 NA 14% 11%
St Andrews DE 67 1321 14% 6%
Webb CA ~90 NA 14% 52%
Cate CA 69 NA 12% 40%
Landon MD 78 1294 12% 17%
Penn Charter PA 101 1309 11% 55%
Kent Denver CO 107 1265 10% 18%
Mary Inst & St Louis CD MO 143 1280 10% 21%
Poly Prep NY 97 NA 9% 30%
Chestnut Hill PA 45 NA 8% 62%
Park MD 69 NA 8% 16%
University School Nashville TN 77 NA 6% 28%
Cinci Country Day OH 72 1276 4% 32%
Fountain Valley CO 59 1145 4% 27%
Westtown PA 95 NA 4% 32%
Ethel Walker CT 36 NA 3% 10%
Georgetown Prep MD 199 NA 3% 20%
Oregon Episc 62 1317 3% 29%
Durham Academy NC 93 1296 2% 77%
Kentucky Country Day 51 1238 2% 25%
Saint Andrews FLA ~145 1225 2% 43%
Bullis MD 78 NA 1% 21%
St Christophers VA 75 1200-1300 1% 67%
Culver IN 206 NA 0% 45%
Thayer MA 106 NA 0% 43%</p>
<p>one other observation....New Jersians hit the road!</p>
<p>High School/ Snr class # / SAT comb / Ivy, SM &SWAP / In-State
Durham Academy NC 93 1296 2% 77%
St Christophers VA 75 1200-1300 1% 67%
Chestnut Hill PA 45 NA 8% 62%
Penn Charter PA 101 1309 11% 55%
College Prep CA 80 1437 29% 53%
Webb CA ~90 NA 14% 52%
San Francisco Univ HS 113 1337 19% 47%
Haverford PA 79 1290 16% 45%
Culver IN 206 NA 0% 45%
Saint Andrews FLA ~145 1225 2% 43%
Thayer MA 106 NA 0% 43%
Cate CA 69 NA 12% 40%
Thacher CA ~53 1300 21% 34%
Pine Crest FLA 126 1327 19% 34%
Episcopal Acad PA 115 1298 22% 32%
Cinci Country Day OH 72 1276 4% 32%
Westtown PA 95 NA 4% 32%
Poly Prep NY 97 NA 9% 30%
Shipley PA 78 NA 15% 29%
Oregon Episc 62 1317 3% 29%
University School Nashville TN 77 NA 6% 28%
Milton MA 181 NA 26% 27%
Fountain Valley CO 59 1145 4% 27%
Kentucky Country Day 51 1238 2% 25%
Groton CT 87 1390 24% 24%
Gilman MD 99 1345 20% 23%
John Burroughs MO 97 1380 14% 23%
Mary Inst & St Louis CD MO 143 1280 10% 21%
Bullis MD 78 NA 1% 21%
Deerfield ~165 NA 38% 20%
Georgetown Prep MD 199 NA 3% 20%
Chapin NY 41 NA 37% 19%
Andover MA 315 1363 30% 19%
Kent Denver CO 107 1265 10% 18%
Landon MD 78 1294 12% 17%
Park MD 69 NA 8% 16%
Choate CT 201 ~1300 20% 15%
Collegiate NY 52 NA 57% 14%
Delbarton NJ 101 NA 29% 11%
Peddie NJ ~130 NA 14% 11%
Ethel Walker CT 36 NA 3% 10%
St Pauls NH ~133 NA 42% 8%
Lawrenceville NJ ~190 NA 26% 6%
St Andrews DE 67 1321 14% 6%</p>
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Note that for SWAP as some have opined, Swarthmore is altogether absent in the top 20 lists, with Williams being the college most reported, followed by Amherst & Pomona.
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<p>Papa Chicken: Something that would be impossible to find data for, but adds an interesting flavor to the gumbo is the very high degree to which the Ivies and Williams rely on prep schools for athletic recruiting. It is really hard to find nationally ranked athletes with high enough SATs (roughly 1200+) to get into these schools. The elite preps are prime, prime breeding ground in many sports -- especially ice hockey, skiing, some football, lacrosse, golf, tennis, swimming, basketball, etc. </p>
<p>You can spot this sort of thing on the scattergrams some of these schools release. It isn't always the high-stat kids who are getting in.</p>
<p>"Note that for SWAP as some have opined, Swarthmore is altogether absent in the top 20 lists, with Williams being the college most reported, followed by Amherst & Pomona. "</p>
<p>Actually, it is a VERY GOOD thing. If elite schools like Andover, Groton and St. Paul hogged Swarthmore admissions, kids like my son would not have a chance in heck of getting in.....kids from ordinary high schools in overrepresented states. Thank the lord that they leave room for my kid to get in and get a great education....there has to be some justice in the world!</p>
<p>Actually, I believe that Middlebury appears more often on these lists than Pomona.</p>
<p>Interesting... not a single "SWAP" from our school's '05 class (and of the 3 previous graduating classes, only Pomona has any of our matriculants: in-state :)). No one at Middlebury, either.</p>
<p>But 27% Ivy/S+M out of a class of 124. (52% in-state, mean SAT 1392)</p>
<p>(I can only get one year's data from our school, and it's only available on a non-public section of the website, so I don't feel free to publish it yet. I'm hoping to be able soon to add details to these generic posts I've been making...)</p>
<p>Clk, to elaborate on MootMom's response, as she notes, we have excellent state schools and the cost is still relatively low. </p>
<p>But beyond that, there's a lack of a critical mass: there's not a tradition of students going off to various schools back East and when you get beyond Harvard/Yale you get responses of "Where?"</p>
<p>Three of the womens colleges--Smith, Wellesley, Barnard--have fairly active local alumni groups that work very hard at getting prospects connected with alums, currents students, and in general providing the kind of information that suddenly makes a college become "real" and a viable alternative. </p>
<p>But even schools like Pomona and Scripps in-state often get the "Where?" response, with Pomona sometimes being mistaken for some sort of second-tier Cal State school. As for Amherst or Vassar, you might well be speaking Greek.</p>
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with Pomona sometimes being mistaken for some sort of second-tier Cal State school.
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LOL! I can't believe you said that: the mother of a peer of my older son's, who was not herself born in the US but is quite well educated and involved in the college process for her son, called me livid one day, saying, "Can you BELIEVE that new GC? Suggesting to my son that he consider applying to POMONA?" She was completely sure the school in question was a Cal State school, and not the LAC intended.</p>
<p>In the parking lot at our Farmers Market, I saw a car with a "Williams" bumpersticker. I ran over, and introduced myself. "Class of '71", I exclaimed, shaking the hand of the post-teenager as he got out of the car. "Class of '71 what?" he asked. I point to the Williams sticker. "Oh, that," he said, "I was wondering what that was. I bought the car used years ago. I thought maybe it had something to do with Williams-Sonoma".</p>
<p>But there is a Mount Holyoke sticker that just moved in around the corner! Class of '97.</p>
<p>Class of Williams-Sonoma '71! Now, that's something a Californian would understand! I think I have a sister-in-law from the Class of '87!ROTHFL</p>
<p>LOL! Of course, around here no one knows that Caltech isn't part of the CA university system..... Oh well</p>
<p>Mini--lol!</p>
<p>TheDad, I guess I'm a little surprised because there seem to be a lot of California kids at eastern schools. At my son's PA school CA is the 4th most represented state after PA, NY and NJ...I think CA is well represented at most well-known (well at least here in the east) schools, not just H and Y. Something like 8% of his class was from CA which seems like a high percentage at least to me. </p>
<p>(actually the % seems high but in absolute numbers I guess it isn't given CA has 35 million people...still it's 3000 miles away) seems a good # are willing to hop on a plane east.</p>
<p>fwiw, honestly here in NJ I'd bet the average person when asked about CA schools has only heard of UCLA, USC and Stanford but I doubt they'd be able to tell you where Stanford is. I'd be willing to bet less than 5% of random NJ people I'd ask would have heard of Pomona.</p>
<p>Seattle Public School, Data from only 1 year, 2005. Favors west coast, but spread all over. If one were to add the "singles" for the year, the spread would be even greater.</p>
<p>Top 20 4 year Colleges</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Washington (38)</li>
<li>Western Washington University (13)</li>
<li>Stanford University (9)</li>
<li>Brown University (5)</li>
<li>Oberlin College or Conservatory (4)</li>
<li>Pratt Institute (4)</li>
<li>Columbia University (3)</li>
<li>Cornish College of the Arts (3)</li>
<li>George Washington University (3)</li>
<li>Loyola Marymount University (3)</li>
<li>New York University (3)</li>
<li>Northwestern University (3)</li>
<li>Occidental College (3)</li>
<li>Parsons (3)</li>
<li>Whitman College (3)</li>
<li>Boston University (2)</li>
<li>Carleton College (2)</li>
<li>Dartmouth College (2)</li>
<li>Harvard University (2)</li>
<li>Princeton University (2)</li>
<li>Pomona College (2)</li>
<li>Scripps College (2)</li>
<li>Seattle Pacific University (2)</li>
<li>Seattle University (2)</li>
<li>University of California - Berkeley (2)</li>
<li>University of California -Los Angeles (2)</li>
<li>University of Michigan- Ann Arbor (2)</li>
<li>University of Montana (2)</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin -Madison (2)</li>
<li>Washington University in St Louis (2</li>
</ol>
<p>Found this school (& others) via the Williams hockey roster....</p>
<p>Seniors/ SAT comb/ % Ivy,SM + SWAP in Top 20/ % In-State in Top 20
105/ ~1333/ 27%/ 33% </p>
<p>1 Brown University: 32<br>
2 Boston College: 30<br>
3 Harvard University: 23<br>
4 University of Pennsylvania: 21<br>
5 Tufts University: 20<br>
6 Trinity College: 19
7 Georgetown University: 18<br>
8 Bowdoin College: 16
9 Connecticut College: 15
9 Williams College: 15<br>
11 Wesleyan University: 14
12 Colgate University: 13<br>
12 Columbia University: 13
12 Duke University: 13
12 Middlebury College: 13<br>
16 Yale University: 12
17 College of the Holy Cross: 11<br>
18 Amherst College: 9<br>
18 Cornell University: 9<br>
18 Dartmouth College: 9</p>
<p>Seniors/ SAT comb/ % Ivy,SM + SWAP in Top 20/ % In-State in Top 20
86/ 1211/ 3%/ 30% </p>
<p>1 St. Olaf College, 30
2 University of Minnesota Twin Cities, 26
3 University of Wisconsin Madison, 25
4 Boston College, 23
5 Gustavus Adolphus College, 20
6 Skidmore College, 19
7 Northwestern University, 18
8 Boston University, 16
9 University of St. Thomas, 15
10 Carleton College, 14
10 Georgetown University, 14
10 University of Colorado Boulder, 14
13 Colgate University, 13
13 Lawrence University, 13
13 University of Denver, 13
16 Stanford University, 12
17 George Washington University, 11
17 Middlebury College, 11
19 Connecticut College, 10
19 University of Southern California, 10
19 Washington University, 10
19 Yale University, 10</p>
<p>following up on interesteddad's point about the prep school draw perhaps inpart due to athletic recruiting, a quick look at the Williams hockey roster certainly supports that theory. 18 out of the 23 on the roster are from eastern boarding schools like Deerfield & Nobles.</p>
<p>.....the roster has a very different profile than the Williams reported Public/Private percentages of 57%/43%.</p>
<p>You probably see the same profile differences if you look at some of the athletic rosters even at Swarthmore. Check out the boys lacrosse roster. Seems to be a few prep schools represented there as well..........</p>
<p>You have just a few of the catholic high schools on the list, i.e. Georgetown Prep. Most of the catholic HS websites I have seen do not publish extensive statistics on thier classes. However, if they did, I believe you would see a bit of a different skew of school choice. For those students it is not about the Ivy's, it is about Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown and Holy Cross, along with a number of other catholics schools. </p>
<p>The Georgetown Prep numbers bear this out though they are not sufficient to be a representative sample of all the catholic high schools. What I find interesting is the number of the prep schools that send their students to these catholic colleges. </p>
<p>I would be interested in Xiggi's view. As a graduate of a catholic HS who chose to go to one of the SWAP schools, what is your persepctive on this phenomenon?</p>
<p>Papa Chicken,</p>
<p>When you look at the rosters of the hockey teams the statistic you cite, the number of prep school graduates, can be a bit deceving. A number of those students went to a year of post-graduate hs to give them another year to prepare for college. In fact, some go to junior hockey after that before going to college.</p>
<p>From my son's hs, with a very competitive high school hockey program, they send 1 or 2 students a year to post-grad prep school and 1 or 2 to junior hockey. To get a handle on this phenomenon look at the ages of the students on the teams and the year they are in school. Alternatively, look at the prep schools and note which ones have post graduates, i.e. Andover.</p>
<p>Eagle...both good points.....I too couldn't find much on Cath school web sites. Delbarton is the only other reported thus far that has ties to the Cath church....intro says its "independent" but administered by Cath monks. Top 3 matriculating schools are Notre Dame, Georgetown & Boston College.</p>
<p>On another point, I've started to look over the entire matriculation lists to find any interesting tidbits. One I just came across is attendence at Deep Springs.....from what I've found thus far, Groton has sent 3, Westtown (PA) 2, Saint Ann's (NY, not reported herein yet) 1 & Gilman (MD) 1. I'd be curious what other HS' send students there, although because many matriculation lists provided on school web sites only cover more than 2 or 3 matriculating to one college, more of the reported HS's on this thread may have sent graduates to Deep Springs, with no mention on their matriculation listings.</p>