<p>dude, i think u need to chill out. first of all, ND is a good school. No need to cite profs and their profiles to convince people of ND profs' qualities. Umich is also a good school, and isn't second to ND in academics. simply, they're academic peers.</p>
<p>You should be ashamed of yourself</p>
<p>patless, please consider the following posts: </p>
<p>"too bad their faculty could not get a sniff from any real top schools."</p>
<p>"Notre Dame is most famous for its athletics, not academics."</p>
<p>"You should be ashamed of yourself"</p>
<p>wth ru talking about? let's not get emotional and talk about how schools compare. It is the general concensus that UMich is a top school, comparable to ND.</p>
<p>thejoker, the PA does not measure quality of graduate programs. It measures quality of undergraduate education. Whether you agree with the PA or not is another subject. </p>
<p>Also, Notre Dame's Philosophy Department is not ranked #1 in the nation, although it is certainly excellent. Other excellent Philosophy departments are Cal, Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Michigan, NYU, Pittsburgh, Princeton, Rutgers and Stanford...to name a few. Ironically, Michigan's Ethics faculty is ranked #1 in the nation according to most sources.</p>
<p>"Notre Dame is most famous for its athletics, not academics."</p>
<p>joker, i think you are taking that too literally. i mean, any school with a well-known sport team would be known well for its sports programs. well-educated people that matter will know about ND's and UMich's academic excellence. But, most laymen or random people hanging around the bars will know of ND through their football team. I think that is what that post meant.</p>
<p>I said it is widely considered to be #1, which it is. Sorry if its not #1 by usnews, but if you talk to those w/ phD's in philosophy, they will regard ND very highly, and many will consider it #1.</p>
<p>
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According to whom Hawkette?
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Heh heh...inquiring minds want to know...</p>
<p>I'm struggling to find any source online that puts Notre Dame philosophy in the top ten, let alone number one...</p>
<p>thejoker, I have never seen a ranking that places Notre Dame within 10 spots of #1 in Philosophy. I have only seen three Philosophy rankings, and they tend to agree with each other:</p>
<p>Gourman Report:
Although I do not have access to a link, I clearly remember that the top 15 departments were:
1. Princeton University
2. University of pittsburgh
3. Harvard University
4. University of California-Berkeley
5. University of Chicago
6. Stanford University
7. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
8. University of California-Los Angeles
9. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
10. Cornell University
11. Yale University
12. Brown University
13. Columbia University
14. University of Notre Dame
15. Boston University</p>
<p>National Research Council
1. Princeton University<br>
2. University of Pittsburgh<br>
3. Harvard University<br>
4. University of California-Berkeley<br>
5. University of California-Los Angeles<br>
6. Stanford University<br>
7. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor<br>
8. Cornell University<br>
9. Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
10. University of Arizona<br>
11. University of Chicago<br>
12. Rutgers University<br>
13. Brown University<br>
14. University of California-San Diego<br>
15. Notre Dame </p>
<p>NRC</a> Rankings in Each of 41 Areas</p>
<p>Philosophical Gourmet
1. New York University
2. Rutgers University-New Brunswick<br>
3. Princeton University
3. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor<br>
5. University of Pittsburgh<br>
6. Stanford University
7. Harvard University
7. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
7. University of California-Los Angeles
10. Columbia University
10. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
12. University of California-Berkeley
13. University of Arizona
13. University of Notre Dame
13. University of Texas-Austin </p>
<p>The</a> Philosophical Gourmet Report 2006 - 2008 :: Overall Rankings</p>
<p>Of course, those are rankings of graduate programs. There are no undergraduate rankings. However, Notre Dame is generally not considered #1 in Philosophy, at least not according to the rankings I have seen.</p>
<p>"Heh heh...inquiring minds want to know..."</p>
<p>UCBChem, unfortunately for Hawkette, she knows that if she pursues this angle, she will have to give credence to the Peer Assessment score. Quelle horreur! That would be a fate worse than death! LOL!</p>
<p>Would you say that all these brand name schools are blinding us from real treasures that most of us don't even consider just because they're small and not as prestigious? It's kind of like that Asian mother that says to go to UCLA because she's heard of it rather than a school you'd really be passionate about going to like Occidental College.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
<p>I suggest reading the book, "Colleges that Change Lives" by Loren Pope.</p>
<p>Or could be that some small schools market themselves as intimate and better at undergraduate education, citing Prof to student ratios, and % of classes under 20(since that's their main selling point), but in reality, isn't better. I'm saying it goes both ways, with this train of thought.</p>
<p>alexandre, i have been on this site since this past january i think, and youve always seemed so knowledgable about several different universities. where did you go to school?</p>
<p>I am surprised you haven't figured it out chicagoboy. Michigan for undergrad and Cornell for grad.</p>
<p>True, but ask Alexandre what he likes to do for vacations!!!</p>
<p>alex and ucb,
Surprised you are asking for the source of ND's # 9 ranking for classroom teaching excellence. I posted this earlier on IN THIS THREAD! Check out # 11.</p>
<p>^ Oh, I know where it came from...I'm just chiding you...</p>
<p>I just find it interesting that you place faith in that survey of academics but not the <em>other</em> survey you so frequently dismiss.</p>
<p>Hawkette, I obviously knew what you were alluding to. But if you believe in that classroom teaching experience rating, you must, by definition, acknowledge the peer assessment score.</p>
<p>I remember reading that hawkette was himself a public-status University grad, what makes you think the medium sized private research universities are better? (When you have not attended one yourself)</p>