<p>umm.. why are you bringing this up? this was US news rankings months ago.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know, but I haven't seen the entire list until I found that website. I haven't seen a topic on this yet, so I wanted to open it to discussion :)</p>
<p>tokai - these rankings are for undergraduate schools. not graduate.</p>
<p>Any of the UCs can beat UTA any day. Look at UCI, where 2003's Nobel Prize in Chemistry winner is a teacher and researcher. Or look at UCSB which has had over or around 5 Nobel Prize winners in the past few years. The UCs have more qualified students, as opposed to UTA which is too large. The UCs are well-funded and are respected around the world. UTA is a good school, but on the contrary, Tokai, it's not good for Engineering or Medicine. My father's an engineer and friend's dad is a doctor. I talked to both of them, as they both went to top schools (Caltech and Johns Hopkins), and they both said UTA isn't good for Engineering or Medicine; I'm not sure about law or business, but to say the least, I haven't heard of UTA ever being mentioned as a reputable institution in the national scope as opposed to UCLA.</p>
<p>Just on a side note, UCLA is the most sought out school in the nation. If UTA is so good, why aren't people swarming after it, as they are after UCLA?....Oh yeah....it's cuz UCLA's better and you're too conceited to admit it.</p>
<p>UCLA is in Los Angeles; UT-Austin is in Austin. You do the math to why people would want to go to UCLA instead of UT-Austin. (I agree that UCLA is slightly better than UT-Austin, but to argue that point by saying more people are applying to UCLA is not a valid argument; More people apply to my state school than Harvard, but does that make it better? no).</p>
<p>I said it that on a side note, uc_benz. Obviously I knew someone like you would respond with such an argument, but if you notice clearly, I said it's a side note - not even close to a valid argument.</p>
<p>Although California has the strongest showing of colleges, Texas has a strong showing, too. It's two main flagship schools,Texas A&M and UT, are world-renowned and have some of the biggest endowments, biggest resources, best faculty, and best equipment. Not to mention that they have spawns all over Texas (A&M Commerce, West Texas A&M, A&M GAlveston, A&M kingsville, A&M prairie view, A&M Corpus Christi, UT Arlington, UT Brownsville, UT Dallas, UT El PAso, UT PAn Am, UT San Antonio, UT Tyler - where my mom got her T.C., UT Permian Basin) But Texas also has Rice, Baylor, UNT, Texas Tech, Trinity, Southwestern, and University of Houston. Those are the schools I think are worth mentioning, but of course there are dozens of others.</p>
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<p>Sure you 'said' it was a side-note, but that was only to set up a backdoor out of the argument if someone actually challenged you about it. You were obviously very passionate about the argument if you went as far to attack the personal character of the poster. If it was just a 'side-note' you could have said it MIGHT mean UCLA is better, but you went as far to say that it DOES mean UCLA is better. Doesn't sound like a side-note to me. However, that's all I'm going to say on that topic because we obviously have different opinions.</p>
<p>A London ranking based solely on academics put UT Austin at number 15 in the world. It is a great school.</p>
<p>Rankings from US News:</p>
<p>UCLA: #25
UT-Austin: #46</p>
<p>Wow... both at exactly 9:15 too.</p>
<p>The more I hear about US News report, the less I believe in the scores it administers to college. And I find it sad that so many colleges have to use it to promote their schools. Because, admittedly, I'm tittilated by the authoritative list US News provides. I like being able to compare my favorite schools to other people's schools. But from all I hear about the shady way it goes about doing its rankings, the less I enjoy it. And finally I realize that is the only reason I like the USNEWS rankings - the entertainment.</p>
<p>There might be better rankings out there - like Princeton Review or barron's.</p>
<p>these "comprehensive" rankings are useless anyways cos the quality of various department withing schools varies and you should always look at the department that you're interested in, not the overall rankings; unless of course, you have no idea what you want to do.</p>
<p>From NCR Rnaking:
Chemical Engineering
UCB #3, UTA #10 UCLA #39
Civil Engineering
UCB #2, UTA #4, Cal Tech #7, UCLA #21
Electrical Engineering
UCB #4, Cal Tech #5, UCLA #10, UTA #14
Mechanical Engineering
UCB #3, Cal Tech #4, UCLA #14, UTA #15
Biomedical Engineering
UCSD #2, UCSF #7, UCB #8, UTA #19, UCLA N/ranking</p>
<p>Science
Astrophys
Cal Tech #1, UCB #3, UTA #10, UCLA #16<br>
Chemistry
UCB #1, Cal Tech #2, UCLA #10, UTA #13
Computer Science
UCB #3, UTA #7, UCLA #15
Physics
UCB #4, UTA #11, UCLA #15</p>
<p>From USnews 2004
Top Business School
UCB #8, UCLA #12, UTA #23
Top Law School
UCB #13, UTA #15, UCLA #16</p>
<p>Okay, tokai...that doesn't matter what the rankings say. Professions who are in the medical and engineering field disagree with you. Are you going to agree with a real-life business executive or some magazine?</p>
<p>I am a Chemical Engineer.
I know very well for most of engieering schools. Most of my classmate, they are all over the country.
Houston is capital of energy. That is why traditional engineerings are strong
in Texas. Rice, UTA, and A&M all have very strong engineering and business
school. Houston also has a very huge medical center known for the best cancer treatment.</p>
<p>Frankly, UCB and UCLA are tough schools to get in. The competition is fierce. You will find the nations brightest students here...</p>
<p>texas is a respectable school, but i do think its huge undergrad population and its not as academically strong student body hurts it a little, at least at the undergrad level.</p>
<p>When I was doing the college search myself I felt that the as acceptance rates decreased or student stats increased, the school was "better". While I think as a general rule this can be applied (ie: North Texas<U of Washington <Yale) when you're going through schools that have comparable stats or even slightly different (ie: median SAT 1300 vs 1340) it is almost useless. At that point specific departments, reserach, etc. etc. are what makes the school "better". </p>
<p>It is one thing I believe this website doesn't subscribe to often although some posters (specifically Alexendre) really have their information about the schools down pat. It's impressive and a better way to view a school then just the students. They have to learn from someone!</p>