<p>Top schools need aware - the very top schools as noted are need blind but these LACS may well be need aware, kenyon, Oberlin, Bucknell, Lafayette, Bates, Colby, Hamilton, Dickinson,Gettysburg, FandM, connecticut College. I’m not sure about Trinity (CT)</p>
<p>yes. R124687 and vosroon, that’s what I was getting at. My favorite school so far is definitely need blind and I’m afraid I won’t get in because I have no hook and that I would be wasting an ED chip.</p>
<p>Speedo. Thanks for the list. Hamilton said it was need blind when I went to visit although I had a hard time believing that. I’m considering Bucknell and Colgate as well.</p>
<p>I live in NYC so don’t want to go to NYU full time, although I have taken a few classes there that I really liked and totally recommend it if you don’t already live in the city.</p>
<p>if you want to take a risk with that ed chip Haverford may be worth a shot if you’re stats are close. SAT’s have to be around 2000. They’re talking about discontinuing their no loan policy - that suggests money issues. You’ll have to play those 2 ed chips carefully. Possibly take a shot on ED1 and then go for a better bet on ED2. 1900 SAT might be good enough for Bucknell</p>
<p>You lucky dog you. Living in the city. My D dreams of NYU. It’s possibly beyond our financial reach, but…we’ll see. I’m afraid I have NO advice for you on colleges myself beyond that. Good luck.</p>
<p>I don’t see how gathering a list of “need aware in the ED round” is going to help the student.</p>
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<li>Remember that when a person applies ED, they are saying that in exchange for an early decision if admitted, they will attend. The student will withdraw all applications and not make any new ones . This is the process regardless if the school is need blind, need aware meets or do not meet 100% of demonstrated need. If there is a problem with the $$ the family will have to do through the school’s process of being released from the binding agreement to apply to other schools. If a school really wants a student during the ED round, the money will not be a huge factor as schools will preferential package, offer merit within need, etc.</li>
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<p>2.While being full payers has it advantages, unless you are a developmental admit, the fact that you can full pay in the ED round is not going to make up for any deficiencies in your application. No school want to be known as a place where if you can afford to pay you can attend regardless of what you bring to the table.</p>
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<li><p>Schools know that there are more students coming down the pike during RD (some even full freight payers) to choose from, so I do not see where being full freight paying will get you admitted. If may get you deferred to RD, while they look at the rest of the pool and take you if they need you, but there is really no need to take you during RD (especially because it is the beginning of the process and they have the money to pay for who they want)</p></li>
<li><p>Even at schools that are “need aware” or need sensitive, the process usually comes into play at toward the end of the RD cycle when there is little of the schools allocated budget left. During this time if it is a toss-up between 2 siniliarly qualified candidates, the tip will go to the students who requires the least amount of the schools resources.</p></li>
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<p>But if the strategy works for you (and I hope it does), good luck on your search.</p>
<p>Sybbie: I’m a huge fan of yours since joining CC; but I have to tell you, I’m very surprised by your response…we have been told by multiple college counselors, admissions officers in lower tier schools that this last year changed all the rules…particular attention paid to LAC’s below the top tier who usually take a large % of their class ED…</p>
<p>Edit: I’m not saying you are necessarily “wrong” but as a parent of a junior, I have been categorically told a very different story…</p>
<p>“While being full payers has it advantages, unless you are a developmental admit, the fact that you can full pay in the ED round is not going to make up for any deficiencies in your application.”</p>
<p>There are schools where the OP will be deficient, and schools where the OP will be on the cusp; the latter is where ability to pay can help, especially in this economy. One reason schools have ED is to reduce budgetary unknowns; locking in known income during ED gives the school more choices during RD.</p>
<p>“If there is a problem with the $$ the family will have to do through the school’s process of being released from the binding agreement to apply to other schools.”</p>
<p>With common app schools there’s not much process:
<a href=“https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/docs/downloadforms/ED_Agreement.pdf[/url]”>https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/docs/downloadforms/ED_Agreement.pdf</a></p>
<p>sybbie:</p>
<p>I too am one of your biggest fans, but also disagree. I have actual (anecdotal) experience with one of the need-aware colleges being discussed. College x accepted a student from our HS barely in the second decile, EDII, full pay. Deferred/rejected a student from the top 5% with big need during RD; applicant had put more demonstrated interest into that school than any other. Same kid was accepted into a couple of top 20 Unis, including Cal & UCLA, so her app had to be ok.</p>
<p>The point is that if a college can accept the full payors during ED, they can then pick and choose among the RD piles.</p>
<p>ok, </p>
<p>I will amend my statement. </p>
<p>Op should also consider that s/he will not be the only person who will have the ability to pay full freight applying to schools. Even amongst full freight payers (and CC does seem to have a lot of them) there will be students who could and just may knock hin/her out of the box. I don’t think that s/he should place all of his/her eggs in the full freight basket.</p>
<p>Also, student should consider thatfrom his list in a previous post:</p>
<p>Colgate, Hamilton, Bard, NYU, Skidmore, Rochester are all HEOP schools in NYS where there are dedicated slots available for these students (between 10-25 students yr.).</p>
<p>If you look at the Common Data Set for hamilton, you will find that almost 60% of the class did not recieve aid.</p>
<p>freshman class 462 students. 241 applied for aid.</p>
<p>181 students eligible for FA </p>
<p>273 or 59% paying full freight (including the 52 who the school considered not having any need)</p>
<p>223 students admitted ED (48%) However 612 applied. Even if each student who was admitted was a full pay and each person who applied was full pay (using OP’s strategy) it failed for 63% of the pool.</p>
<p><a href=“https://my.hamilton.edu/college/institutional_research/CDS2008_2009.pdf[/url]”>https://my.hamilton.edu/college/institutional_research/CDS2008_2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>sybbie</p>
<p>Times have changed</p>
<p>Well, look at it this way…we’re going to find out after this round no doubt if $$ do the talking. Regardless, the OP is talking about ED and full pay, so he/she is going to shoot the moon, pick one school and go for it and won’t be able to back out because of finances (since that is what the OP is planning on putting into the application.) It’s a risky but interesting approach when money isn’t an object. Hopefully the OP has a school they love, love, love. But heh, I do believe kids should have some say in their choices.</p>