<p>I think I have a good set of safety schools so I'm looking for reach schools in the top-tier. I'm applying to Cornell, which doesn't seem to care much for the SAT in transfer admissions. Does anyone have any suggestions? The criteria is that it must not be a LAC and the university must be top tier...</p>
<p>Help me decide! I want to get some apps started before the general March 15 deadline...</p>
<p>ucla and uc berkeley dont even look at them</p>
<p>Oh yah, I already applied to them in Nov, they are two of my safeties...</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yah right...Random Tangent...I think anyone who calls UCLA or CAL a safety is a cocky (self-censor)...</p>
<p>Does anyone have any more suggestions?</p>
<p>Most universiities have to rely on SAT's becuase of the sheer volume of applications they handle. LAC's have the luxury of doing a more "holistic" review.</p>
<p>I am regret not finding the time to re-take the SATs then, as well as take the subject tests...</p>
<p>All people that I have talked to that got accepted as transfers to Harvard, Yale, STanford, Duke, Dmouth, etc. say that the SAT is more like a cutoff and its maximum importance is 10 percent TOGETHER with HS record. FOr junior transfers this figure is even smaller. So nevermid your SAT.</p>
<p>Mostly all public schools don't require them.
Cornell U. doesn't require them also I think.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fairtest.org/optinit.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.fairtest.org/optinit.htm</a></p>
<p>SAT is more like a cutoff and its maximum importance is 10 percent TOGETHER with HS record. </p>
<p>that is a bunch of b.s., if u only have one semester of college grades, ur telling me that if i failed out completely in high school and had a 1200 SAT, but a 4.0 at a community college for one semester, i can get into harvard</p>
<p>dream on</p>
<p>i think that if you dropped out of high school but got a 2400 on the SAT and a 4.0 at a community college you still have no chance at any ivy. </p>
<p>"SAT is more like a cutoff and its maximum importance is 10 percent TOGETHER with HS record"</p>
<p>this seems more plausible than not. since i've worked a bit with admissions at my school, i can say for a fact that a crappy SAT score will not keep you out of being admitted. a crappy college GPA and high school record, yes, but not SAT score. This also means that a fantastic SAT score but crappy grades in either high school or college will not get you into a good school either. </p>
<p>Cornell's policy is you have to send the scores, but if you've been out of school for a long time then dont bother taking them over again.</p>
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<li>If you weren't accepted as a freshman, chances are slim that you will get in after one semester of college (specifically addressed on UPenn's web page). However, this is fine since by matriculation in the new school people will have freshman year all covered and not just one semester and they will send their midterm reports and what not. Still, transferring early puts people at a disadvantage.</li>
<li>There are CC transfers but my friends at Stanford, Harvard, and Yale told me that they haven't met any, so a CC acceptee would be a rarity.</li>
<li>1200 SAT and the GPA that you mentioned is certainly below the cut off.</li>
<li>The cutoff, from everything I've seen, and believe me, I have been researching my **** a lot , is about 1350-1380. It varies however. (If someone cannot get that, imo they should not be applying to HYSMC). If you are applying to somewhere top 15- top 40, your HS record and SAT matter even less.</li>
<li>I was referring to HS grades and SAT within the standard deviation. Too low is never good and too high is always nice.
If you are applying to enter as a sophomore 3.8 and 1420 it would be the same as 4.0 and 1500 that some other kid has or it could tip the scales to an extent of 1 out of 10 points - 10%. Even more so if you are applying as a junior.
The rigorous college curriculum, GPA, honors, achievements in college (altogether~40%), personality (~20%), essays (~15%) and EC (~15%) would be what would determine the rest.
I never said that a 4.0 at a CC for one semester sould consititute a 90% of college admission. The bottom line is taht adcoms can judge your college, and your choices at the age of 19 better than your obscure HS and you childish EC or lame classes at 16.</li>
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<p>Also, you wanna know why some people get in with 1420 and some people with 1580, 4X800. 11X5XAP go to UofChicago being rejected by HYPS? Personality. SAT is a small indicator. College candidates are judged in 4 dimensions. Only one of them is accademics. Only part of academics is SAT. Even Yale says explicitly that GPA matters much more than SAT. That said, however, schools do try to keep the averages at a cetain level for PR (not princeton), ranking, etc.
Transfers are judged slightly differently with the 4 dimensions distorted, academics being the prevailing one, expecially since transfer statistics don't affect PR and ranking. However, as usual, academics can never be sufficient.
That is why the "what are my chancs post" is good for nothing but to give people some vague sense of superiority reading people going "wow you are in man, your stats make me feel so ****ty". 1580 and 4X800. Pretty nice, huh? Well go back and read. Several months later some of hese same poeple post "Decision: Rejected"... while some whit girl got in with a 680 on the verbal section. There is a reason for that.</p>
<p>to CardinalFocused. I am not going to quote my sources, since they give me valuable info that I simply do not wish to share beyond a certain extent, but SAT IIs have incredibly low importance for transferring. Low to none. Nada. Everybody can argue, but I know. That said, I am taking them but I don't give a **** if I bomb them. I will prepare for one week starting Jan 21 and if I don't like how it went, I'll cancel them... and guess what? It's not going to make much of a difference.</p>
<p>martini, u got to relax man</p>
<p>I personally spoke to the director of transfers at UPenn and Northwestern (i was accepted as a freshman), and they both said as a first year transfer, ur high school transcript is still incredibly important to us. Anyone who tells u otherwise is a complete fool, sorry.</p>
<p>With the SATs, i think once ur above 1400, ur good for any place, its just a cut-off, a 1300+ is probably as low as u want it</p>
<p>"That said, I am taking them but I don't give a **** if I bomb them."</p>
<p>With that attitude, you won't be accomplishing much. Why take them if they only matter "low to nada"?</p>
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1580 and 4X800. Pretty nice, huh? Well go back and read. Several months later some of hese same poeple post "Decision: Rejected"... while some whit girl got in with a 680 on the verbal section. There is a reason for that.
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<p>These are merely exceptions to the rule; the prevailing trend still prefers the academic.</p>
<p>It's not like I have a 2.0 in HS and am trying myself believe that I am a better applicant. I have a perfect 4.00 out of 4.00 GPA and if it was to be considerred with weight greater than 10% I'd be very happy. However, WITHIN STANDARD DEVIATION, 3.7 and 4.0 would be the same. Also 3.5 in HS with 36 credits per year in college with high level science and math classes (I would recommend at least 2 300 level classes), 4.00 in college make the HS GPA seem unimpportant.
I am sure that my 3 math classes next semester together with Honors Physics with calculus (secons semester) and Intermediate Organic Chem also honors, mean a lot more than HS 3.5 or 3.9 or 4.0 - whatever.
And to the other guy: SAT IIs don't mean **** because they are a joke compared to my organic chemistry class.</p>
<p>nspeeds:
I said, academics is important. Many have the academics. However, personality will make you or break you once you have decent stats.
"If Harard were to pick students based on academics alone, they would end up like the University of Chicago, and institution, which Harvard faculty cannot look upon without shuddering". Rough quote. I have more but I am too lazy, plus I do respect everything you say CC, so I will stop.
However, people, please take my messages and don't twist them to exteremes. It is for people who have the grades, stats, college GPA, etc for HYPS, but have one thing not so great - example 1380 SAT or 3.7 HS GPA. Not for somebody that messed it all up and went to CC to get a 4.0...
That's why I say "within standard deviation". We all know what it takes to get into those schools. I give you the fine tuning. Just some basic guidelines that are all based on what people that got in have told me.</p>
<p>sanguine: shut up.
they are unimportant and not worth monts of my life. i have a lot greater thing waiting to be accomplished.
the chances that i bomb them are slim. 98% says I end up with 800, but as I said IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
I am taking them for MIT only, because all they want from me is Toefl and SAT II. For them - they matter as much as SAT I matters for other schools.</p>
<p>I always knew my SAT score was low (1240), but I was just thinking in the back of my mind that miracles can happen. I guess not though, from what everyone has said...It just kinda sucks because I feel as though I could do better, but my extracurriculars and school work have prevented me from doing such. I'm actually going to a conference for Asg the weekend of the Jan 28 SAT test date...I'm wondering whether I should just resign from my position and take the SATs again. What do you guys think I should do? </p>
<p>If not, their's always graduate school I guess? haha</p>