Top undergraduate Business Admin or Bus/Econ programs in california

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Specifically for grad level, Stanford is number one followed closely by Berkeley-Haas. UCLA's Andersen is a distant third.

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<p>Provide us with a source, will you? Especially regarding how Anderson is a DISTANT third whereas Stanford and Haas stand shoulder-to-shoulder.</p>

<p>In terms of employment opportunity, prestige between schools of different geographic location means nothing because you can have graduated from Berkeley, but if you move to Seattle, you will have absolutely no advantage in employment than those who graduated from University of Washington (which generally earns very little recognition throughout the country) because UW is the top dog in that state. Same applies for San Francisco and Los Angeles. Berkeley (and Stanford) maybe the top dog(s) in the bay area, but in L.A., USC and UCLA (and some of the LACs) are considered the top dogs. Come to L.A. please, most top positions are dominated by those who graduated from a So.Cal university.</p>

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<p>southpasadena,</p>

<p>sorry to burst your bubble, but the person who authored that list you linked was either bs'ing a little bit or that list is complete bs. southern california risk management assoc doesnt hire at the undergrad level except for file clerks and assistants. ken alston, the chairman of SCRMA is a business contact of mine and helped me write a b-plan for my entp class, i actually met the guy when he presented in my entp class. he acquired the company through a search fund. gallo wine also does not recruit at cmc, my big brother's big brother in my frat told me this, he is a member of the gallo family and he's next in line to run the company. i seriously doubt lazard would recruit at cmc, its a TINY bank and i dont think they even have a west coast operation. it would be a waste of resources to try and recruit from such a small talent pool when there are plenty of ivy league idiots to go around. the only reason kkr recruits at cmc is because one of the guys who started kkr was an alum. actually,i take that back. i doubt kkr recruits at cmc, PE firms RARELY recruit at the undergrad level.</p>

<p>cmc has only been around for like 50 yrs and has an extremely small class size, so i doubt they have much influence anywhere, in terms of numbers. its an "academic" school, not an "old boys network" school.</p>

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<p>ohhhh, and one more thing. no way you can compare haas to cmc, in terms of rep and student body. haas is BRAND NAME, juts having haas on your resume is MAGIC in the biz world. the only reason why cmc's student body has higher sat scores is because of its small class size, it makes it more "relatively selective". put it this way, if you were to compare cmc's entering freshman stats against cal's top admits of similar class size, cal's stats would be MUCH better.</p>

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<p>Sorry to burst my bubble?</p>

<p>Please inform me where i noted SCRMA or Gallo Wine?</p>

<p>Lazard will be on campus from 9am to 5pm on October 4th. You are close enough to visit if you would like. Or you can do as I did and utilize the available online career calender for CMC.</p>

<p>Don't get ahead of yourself. For those who need to know, cmc, pomona, etc are brand names.</p>

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<p>How good is Berkeley's undergrad econ program? I'm debating between that one and the newly uncapped CS program, other than being good choices, I have an genuine interest in both subjects. As great as Business Administration is, the undergraduate curriculum doesn't really float my boat.</p>

<p>Can anyone offer some insights? Thanks in advance.</p>

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<p>Calcruzer in reply #14. I thought UCSB was the school that had recent Nobel prize winners for economics? Or did UCSD have some as well?</p>

<p>I am having a hard time deciding to goto UCSB or UCI. UCSB has the nobel prize and somewhat of a reputation for accounting. UCI is brand new (2008) and has the chance of being good but it is very risky. This is pretty much a coin-toss for me :(. I have visited both campuses and they have their own pros/cons. The most obvious difference is the ethnicity of the student body (I am asian). Pondering this issue is starting to give me a headache! Can someone provide me with some more insight?</p>

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<p>considering i went to mtsac and grew up in 626, UCSB will be a pretty big change. Say good bye to ethnic eateries (Mexican can be the exception as there are plenty excellent places to eat). It is very laid back over here which can be good or bad, depends on how you look at it. UCSB is highly regarded with accounting firms, UCI is just good, pretty much the same curriculum but they don't get the same recruiting. </p>

<p>Better job opps = Orange County however
UCSB will allow for more opps in northern cali</p>

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<p>Thanks for the extremely quick reply.</p>

<p>I grew up in the 626 and now live in the 909. I take a 1-2 courses at mtsac every semester. UCSB was definitely different from communities I have been raised in (predominantly latino and then predominantly asian). There is no question in my mind that UCSB is great accounting. But I am iffy with UCI since they are just launching the new business programs and have no real reputation when it comes to accounting in specific. What are the chances of UCI earning a good reputation (at least somewhat close to UCSB's)? I am a senior and will catch the new program at UCI for Fall 2008. Will I not be in the program until junior year so the new department has time to develop (2 years)?</p>

<p>Another factor is how much farther UCSB is than UCI. But I am not considering that as much as academia. It stil lingers in the back of my mind.</p>

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<p>you know, ill admit when im wrong, and ill admit that i was wrong. its seems lazard DOES recruit at cmc. and go figure, they have an LA office.</p>

<p>but, again cmc is not brand name and not in the same level as haas, or even cal as a whole. i dont understand how the claremont colleges can have any kind of influence when claremont u's mba program isnt even ranked, how pathetic. i dont know how much more i can stress this, so ill just leave it at that. </p>

<p>scrma and gallo wine were on that list that you posted a while ago.</p>

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<p>those companies are found in a link that the CMC career office compiled. I did not post them. To me, CMC would be a viable and accurate source. Position aside, SCRMA does have an office in upland neighboring the college. Obviously positions are taken by students at companies that do not offer formal internships or college recruiting. Colleges ARE going to list favorable companies, even if one is hired. But that list is for companies that formally recruited and because of that, more research should be able to determine when they came, why they came (resume drop, presentation, full time hire, intern, etc) It is your choice to pursue. Since i do not go there i will take things at face value and believe them to be true unless properly disproven</p>

<p>The entire claremont system has garnered a lot of prestige. It is not a Stanford or UCB (ordinary person prestige), but neither are williams, dartmouth, amherst, colgate, etc - yet all the previously named colleges are recruited from. </p>

<p>This subforum is especially concerned with getting the best job possible, so that was my initial at most important concern when i ranked. Do you not agree?</p>

<p>And with the evidence posted, i think it is fair to put CMC above both UCLA and USC. And this is in regards to ability to find financial positions (what this board focuses on). If real estate was ones focus, USC would jump up, if biotech etc was the focus, rankings would change once again.</p>

<p>CGU is up and coming and frankly, their focus on not national or international. The dean wants to help in the progression of the inland empire - so it is a regional school and most likely will stay that way. Different schools do have different intentions</p>

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<p>some comments/questions from a business professor in california:</p>

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<li><p>where is the evidence that places stanford/haas WAY AHEAD of anderson/marshall?</p></li>
<li><p>those of you contemplating irvine might want to reconsider. there is a front page story in today's los angeles times that suggests the recent turmoil regarding the deanship there may even delay the opening of the law school and will negatively impact the entire university. there further is evidence of irvine being a place that keeps bumbling while others ascend--and i think of the new rady school and its hirings and the nobel laureate hiring at argyros as examples.</p></li>
<li><p>cruzer, huge props to you for calling out cal state san bernardino. it takes both knowledge and courage to bring attention to an unnoticed cal state, but one under dean bowerman that is moving upward toward the big boys of the cal states like beach and fullerton, while sister schools LA and cal poly pomona are imploding train wrecks heading in the opposite direction.</p></li>
<li><p>the record within the claremont colleges is mostly strong but relatively unnoticed, perhaps in part due to its unusual configuration and the fact that the colleges seem to do less PR than other universities--why, i don't know.</p></li>
<li><p>wrt the inland empire there will be three schools moving in, the claremont club, san bernardino (already there and rooted), and the "other" anderson school, at riverside, which is moving up. look for a nice brawl as deans fight for the resources to penetrate this region further.</p></li>
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<li>In terms of caliber of students, Stanford GSB students are the very elite with HBS. Haas is slightly behind Stanford, but Anderson is slightly behind Haas, and Marshall is slightly behind Anderson. In terms of corporate jobs, any of these schools are excellent career wise. The difference is when we talk about getting into PE and VC is where Stanford is leaps and bounds better than the aforementioned schools. </li>
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<p>Anyways, this thread is about undergrad and Pomona College has an excellent economics program. Although the general CMC are excellent, the real meat of recruiting is primarily targeted at Pomona grads.</p>

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<p>Do you have any reason for concluding this? From everything I know, Pomona does have an excellent econ program, but I think CMC puts a lot more effort into getting recruiters on campus and helping students to get internships and jobs. A lot of the job fairs and presentations are available to students from all the Claremont Colleges, but because CMC has more of a focus on business, I imagine a Pomona student would be taking more advantage of CMC events than the other way around. I really don't know what makes you think that most of the recruiting is aimed at Pomona grads. </p>

<p>CMC does emphasize its econ, econ-accounting, and finance programs. Here's a link to a thread about a huge gift to CMC that will establish a special graduate program in finance:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=397535%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=397535&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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3. cruzer, huge props to you for calling out cal state san bernardino. it takes both knowledge and courage to bring attention to an unnoticed cal state, but one under dean bowerman that is moving upward toward the big boys of the cal states like beach and fullerton, while sister schools LA and cal poly pomona are imploding train wrecks heading in the opposite direction.

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<p>Drj, is there a reason Cal St LA is an imploding train wreck? I've read about some pretty awful things going on at Cal Poly Pomona on this site and from my understanding nothing of that sort is going on in LA. I have two friends taking up accounting at LA and they aren't aware of any current or impending mass exodus like there's been for Pomona. The only thing they pointed out is that it's taking them a while to find a replacement for dean, which is also the case for CSU Long Beach from my understanding.</p>

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1. In terms of caliber of students, Stanford GSB students are the very elite with HBS. Haas is slightly behind Stanford, but Anderson is slightly behind Haas, and Marshall is slightly behind Anderson. In terms of corporate jobs, any of these schools are excellent career wise. The difference is when we talk about getting into PE and VC is where Stanford is leaps and bounds better than the aforementioned schools.

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<p>From OP, here is the following:</p>

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<p>^^^^
From OP, here is the following:</p>

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Can anyone give me a ranking of the top 10 undergraduate programs of business administration including counting Business/Economics programs in California. This includes all private schools, Cal states, and UC schools in the rankings. THanks.

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<p>Undergrad Business according to BusinessWeek (limited to schools that have undergrad b-schools, which among those discussed really include only Berkeley and USC):</p>

<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/07/undergrad/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>UC Berkeley (Haas): #1 b-school undergrad in Cali, #2 USC Marshall</p>

<p>For Undergrad Econ, IMO the strength of the graduate schools is a good proxy for illuminating opportunities at the undergrad level, in terms of quality of faculty.</p>

<p>Stanford is a #1 econ program, typically considered a peer perhaps of MIT and Harvard at the pinnacle. </p>

<p>Berkeley is a close second econ program, considered a peer with Princeton, Yale, and Chicago. (this just follows US News)</p>

<p>UCLA is top 10 I believe and has the biz/econ program which is prestigious.</p>

<p>I don't know where USC ranks, but it's got to be very respectable for undergrad econ and has a top biz school.</p>

<p>Comments: If you want to study econ. at Berkeley and you are good in math, you really have to take the mathematics-heavy econ. course if you want the most solid respectability for grad school applications that have any quantitative bent. The other econ. track is no doubt good, but if you do well in the quantitative econ. program, you can pretty much write your own ticket in a lot of directions.</p>

<p>Personally, I would stuff all these rankings and look at fit and also being realistic about where you can get in.</p>

<p>If you feel more comfortable at USC, let's say than Berkeley, go to USC if you can afford it. Particularly if you think you want to be in SC after graduation.</p>

<p>If you want to go to one of the Claremont colleges, why would you even look at any of the other schools?The big and small school experiences will be quite different, and from a friend who had studied at Stanford/Berkeley/Harvard, he noted the students with the best, well-rounded preparation came from Swarthmore/Claremont/Colby(LACs) rather than Princeton/Yale/Chicago (big name places). But he didn't regret his choices 'cause for him the uni's were a better fit on other levels.</p>

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<p>I would second the recommendation to check out Pomona, Claremont McKenna, and the Claremont Colleges in general.</p>

<p>This is an upcoming conference concentrating on business:
<a href="http://www.wsweekend.com/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wsweekend.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"Wall Street Weekend is a Claremont Colleges (Pomona, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, Scripps, Pitzer) finance conference and networking event that offers a unique opportunity for all attendees interested in finance.</p>

<p>Organizers have worked to create an opportunity for everyone interested in finance to come together and explore new possibilities. “We’re getting a lot of support,” said Geoffrey Lewis ’08, one of the organizers</p>

<p>Students and faculty will join in the morning of Saturday, Oct. 13 with a breakfast, panel sessions and networking period in Pomona’s Edmunds Ballroom. </p>

<p>The Hedge Fund Panel will be comprised of Scott Barker (Pomona ’87), a portfolio manager with Analytic Investors, Inc. , Dana Hobson (Harvey Mudd ’85), senior vice president of Bailard and Peter G. Sasaki (Pomona ’91), the founder and managing member of Logo Capital Management, LLC. The Private Equity Panel will include Paul S. Efron (Pomona ’77), advisory director at Goldman Sachs, Kristin Horne (Pomona ’93), managing director at Morgan Stanley and James A. Quella, senior managing director and senior operating partner of Blackstone’s Private Equity Group.</p>

<p>Harry McMahon, vice chairman of Merrill Lynch and Claremont McKenna alumnus, will deliver the keynote speech to participants at the Claremont Athenaeum during lunch.</p>

<p>Organizers hope the events will provide students with good insight into career possibilities in the finance industry. “It’ll give students a sense of what 5-C alums go off and do,” Lewis said."</p>

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<p>truman, the fact that the dean walked off the job in the middle of the year is profound enough. most deans announce and then leave at the end of an academic year. then as you say they still have no replacement almost a year later. combine that with the many failed searches for faculty, so much so that their position listings now state this: "if unable to fill this line it will be converted to a visiting lecturer." not a good sign. accounting and finance are stronger than other areas there, but finance has failed to hire a professor for three straight years and reportedly now is lowering the search criteria and trying again. and their budget is so tight that all they can do is hope to hire entry level people.</p>

<p>that said, still not as bad as pomona where 76 business faculty and staff have departed for various reasons in just two years. if LA is a train wreck then pomona is a tsunami.</p>

<p>as far as beach, and northridge for that matter, are concerned beach has had a much more stable college and lowballed their choice for dean this past year. a wakeup call for the provost. northridge is trying again for somewhat different reasons and needs to find a solid replacment to avoid falling downward into situations like at LA.</p>

<p>and now the chatter about pomona college and CMC. did anybody notice that CMC has just been handed a jillion dollars to launch an elite graduate program in finance? there is so much money attached to this deal that they will hire EIGHT professors prior to launch? that is huge. my wife is a finance professor with a PhD from there and she reports CMC going after the biggest guns in the field.</p>

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<p>Stanford is a #1 econ program, typically considered a peer perhaps of MIT and Harvard at the pinnacle.
Berkeley is a close second econ program, considered a peer with Princeton, Yale, and Chicago. (this just follows US News)</p>

<p>Just to clarify, MIT is a "peer" to U-Chicago, both being ranked first amongst graduate economics programs, and then comes Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, UCB and Yale (those programs are all ranked third based off of the most recent rankings).</p>

<p>If I am not mistaken, PE stands for Private Equity and VC for Venture Capital.</p>