which state school is the toughest to get in if you are out-of-state? why?
<p>i think UVa. is pretty hard to get in, and UNC too. I think it is because they are public schools which means they have to admit a large number of in-staters, and since the education/quality of life is sooooo grand, many ppl apply...and get rejected. make sense?</p>
<p>UC's, particularly LA and Berkeley which have a fairly low admission rate to begin with, because of the state's high favortism to in-state residents and the stated goal to admit as many residents in the top 12% of their high schools as possible. There was a dispute not too long ago in which some officials asserted that the UC's, particularly Berkeley, were violating California's law that prohibits favoring minorities on the basis of being minorities. The evidence presented were numbers showing that a number of minorities got into Berkeley with fairly low SAT scores and a large number of white's with 1450 to 1600 scores were rejected. The rebuttal showed that the vast majority of those high scorers rejected were out-of-state residents.</p>
<p>UNC only accepts 18% out of state, so you definitely need a strong resume.</p>
<p>rumor has it that Chapel Hill is harder to get into for OOS than Duke</p>
<p>UVa by far. Then CalBerkeley, Michigan and Cornell (Ag School). Other tough schools on OOS are Georgia Tech, UNC-Chapel Hill, UCLA and Wm & Mary.</p>
<p>it seems like everyone has different answers... maybe none of the state schools stand out as THE toughest to get into?</p>
<p>Are you trying to figure where NOT to apply to?
I believe that UNC-Chapel Hill wins hands down, as they had (this year) 18000 applicants for 3650 spots, and then only 20% of those 3650 can be out-of-staters. Therefore only 4% of all admitted students are oos. (That does not sound like I did the math right, but w/e)</p>
<p>Oops, 4% of all applicants are oos, (NOT 4% of all admittees)
:o</p>
<p>Haha, 20% of accepted can be OOS ...Out of the total applicants (18000) 4% are admitted that happen to be OOS. [Based on the info you gave]. Thats very hard to word so that it makes sense... :-x</p>
<p>Thanks bo
i sure got twisted there</p>
<p>Haha, its no prob. After the calc exam I just took, I'm suprised I can even look at numbers and not throw up.</p>
<p>UNC Chapel Hill
Instead let's use the numbers for UNC:
18000 applied
3650 accepted
730 are oos</p>
<p>Well, I'm just a parent of an oos who got accepted.
My calculus was 25 years ago.</p>
<p>Duke is easier to get in oos, because UNC is required by the North Carolina public university system to only allow 18% of acceptees to be oos. Therefore, this applies to NC State, Appalachian, etc. too. Duke isn't public, so they can do whatever they want. And chocoholic, it sounds like you've seen the same acceptance letter I got...nice work on remembering the stats from the letter, lol. I'm from NC, so they preach these stats to us ALL THE TIME!!!</p>
<p>UVA and UNC are probably the most difficult to get into. I don't know much about UC-Berkeley, but I'm guessing that the acceptance rate is just as low.</p>
<p>I vote for UNC-Chapel Hill. Who else has a "warning message" for OOS applicants on their official FAQs? Not only do they have the smallest quota for OOS (18%), they also receive more OOS applications than in-state:</p>
<p>"...Additionally, we receive more applications from students outside of the state. In recent years, approximately 17,000 students have applied for freshmen admission at Carolina. A little less than 10,000 of those students were considered out-of-state for admission purposes. Approximately 1,600 to 1,750 of those students received admission offers. The remaining 7,000 applicants were North Carolina residents. Usually about 4,500 of those students are admitted. These admission offers are targeted at yielding a freshman class of 3,500."</p>
<p>wut about uiuc? engineering school in particular :)</p>
<p>UIUC doesn't have a very high OOS/IS ratio, but it is nowhere <em>near</em> as competitive as OOS admissions to Berkeley engineering.</p>
<p>According to their admissions web page, UIUC admissions is same for IS/OOS.</p>