Training, Shows, and Teachers

As we have just completed the audition season with our son, I had some thoughts that I hope will be valuable for future parents as they research this complicated process. Certainly on the more ‘chat’ oriented threads here, you’ll see advice concerning the application and audition process. But for those of you who have a year or more to go, and want to get set up for success, read on.

(I’ll add - while I’m not a professional performer, I have had the pleasure of spending a majority of my free time at the performing arts program where my son has trained for 5 years, volunteered extensively at the local schools for their shows, and was also a technical director of a local community theatre for a number of years. So I am fortunate to have more than just casual observation as we went through this year with our son.)

It strikes me that quite a number of the students who are discussed here are very talented individuals who have been fortunate to enjoy participating in shows while in high school (and before). In some cases, these are performing arts schools where the talent pool is high, and therefore the lead roles are competitive. In other cases, these are talented students in traditional schools which may be less competitive. And, yes, getting in a show is great. But contrary to popular belief, it’s not the most important thing. (Counterintuitive. But it’s true).

I want to impress upon future parents the value of training. Is your student working with someone at school, or outside, that is solely focused on the training of actors? Are characterization, particularization, truthfulness, and the like vocabulary words on a drama test or are they becoming a core part of your student’s journey? Does your vocal instructor spend more time on breathing and technique than on running the song? Does your dance instructor make your student do the same 4 bar combo a thousand times in a row until it’s perfect? Are they running scenework until they are insane? Is your student off-book by the time the first rehearsal comes?

Participating in a show is wonderful, and the manifestation of the art. But during the show, you get directed. You don’t get trained. And for many students who only get show experience, with lightweight training, the lack of that training really comes through when you’re reduced to 16/32 bars and a 30/60 second monologue. In the infamous Carnegie Mellon auditions, a student may move through multiple rooms. According to my son and others, what’s happening is that they are giving you direction and asking you to do things differently. Then they watch your ability to not only be directed, but will see the tools you have available as a performer to make those changes. That’s where training makes the difference.

Additionally, having confidence in your training also gives you confidence in your auditions. It’s no different than a ball player who spends hours in the batting cage vs a couple at-bats during a game.

I’m actually very concerned when I see posts that a high school student was in 4, 5, 6, or more shows in a year and had the lead in all of them. To me, that’s a difficult load to properly train, especially for a younger actor who has a lot to learn. There are always exceptions, of course, but for the majority of students, that won’t work.

You may read about how scary it is that schools are, in fact, casting specific types for their future shows in addition to selecting the students who have the right talent mix for their program. Totally and completely true. You may have the next Neil Patrick Harris in your son, but if the school is full-up on skinny Caucasian tenors then you’re not gonna make it. This is where training helps to seriously increase your odds of success. Imagine not only having the look checkbox, but also the ability to demonstrate flexibility in performance while in that audition room. Very powerful, and it’s easy to spot if you’re an auditor.

Future parents, please do not make the mistake and assume that just because your students got leads in a show, they will naturally get admitted to a musical theatre program. Stage performance, while fun and important, is not what they need to succeed in a BFA MT program. To become a true practitioner of the craft, they must embrace becoming a lifelong learner and constantly train. And let’s face it, school age kids in a show are surrounded with accolades and rarely given the real, raw feedback which makes them a better actor.

And don’t forget that what you’re paying for over the next four years is that very training. There is a reason that these programs take such a small number of students each year. It’s to have the ability to give them the extremely intensive training they deserve. I’m very excited about seeing my son in some college level productions, but first and foremost are the acting, dancing, vocal, industry, and brand classes he will attend.

So where do you find this training if you’re totally new to music theatre? Call around local arts academies, regional and local theatres, high schools, and ask for names. Find some local people that have kids who went BFA. Ask around on College Confidential For a very talented student, it’s possible to have 5-7 people who specialize in different areas. If that’s not in the budget, focus on one or two areas at a time and rotate. Attend the end-of-year showcase or recital for a prospective instructor and see their results. If this sounds like it’s time intensive, you ain’t seen nothing yet :slight_smile:

@FirstLobster excellent post! I couldn’t agree more with everything you have said! And best of luck to your son!

I agree - and would add on that I think this is equally - if not MORE important in college. I have enjoyed every minute of time I have gotten to see my D onstage at college - that’s not why she is there- training is

@FirstLobster I also agree with what you are saying. I will however, say that it seems that you live in a large city or area where there is an abundance of training opportunities, arts academies, etc. This is what a lot of people w/ kids in MT struggle with finding. I mean I don’t live in the worst case scenario but there is not a lot of training available in my area for MT, especially when my D was younger. Lots of voice teachers but not a lot who specialize in MT . Very little acting programs/classes. Dance is always usually available everywhere but some kids are literally just eeking it out in their summer theatre camps (not to disparage those as my D had wonderful experiences there) that are ran with local organizations with small budgets & no big name people with experience/Broadway credits teaching the classes. We moved across the state line so my D could attend an arts high school. Only because the high school she would’ve gone to had no support for its theatre dept. Plus I had the ability to do this as it wasn’t far & I don’t have other children. But I would never expect someone to do this that had other kids. I just had the luxury of it being a possibility. If you live in a rural area it is very difficult. You can of course do the summer camps in NYC & other programs but a lot of kids simply do not have the money for those. Support for your kid is great but money plays a factor in the training. Yes I know sports is the same but it seems like if you have someone training you in baseball you might get a better coach per se but baseball is baseball. My nephews both play /played college ball so I know a bit about their experiences. Sports training is def easier to find.

my D is now a freshman in a BFA MT program, I don’t claim to be an expert in any of this trust me. I have been 'schooled" this year a lot concerning college MT and auditions etc. .The only thing I also somewhat disagree with is , yes college productions should not be your focus nor should performing while in college…but…you do need to get some shows under your belt for your resume as when you go to try to get summer stock gigs this is a factor. They want to see what you are doing… Already this year at a summer audition my D was asked about shows she has been in. Plus Strawhat seems to take that into consideration with “experience” when selecting you for the Strawhat audition. And you need the audition slot to get summer stock work, well, you need an audition slot somewhere in a unified audition. Doesn’t have to be Strawhat. Otherwise you are traveling all over for auditions at separate theatres which is nearly impossible during the school year.

Anyway I just think yes, training is def key & also keeping abreast of what is “going on” is of utmost importance. keeping up on opportunities that present themselves in terms of master classes at school & making connections in any shows you ARE cast in in the community etc. or in summer stock theatre etc. Being trained is important but if you miss an opportunity because you weren’t paying attention it won’t matter. The early bird gets the worm. Especially for girls there are literally 500 lined up behind you waiting on you to fold. Even for college summer internships in theatre the competition is pretty fierce. Especially if its a performance internship.

@FirstLobster THIS. Exactly. I have a college freshman BFA MT student and a freshman in high school. We are preaching the “training is more important” philosophy with the second one. I would have encouraged my first one to train much more. We all get caught up in doing shows because they’re fun and you get some recognition doing something you lov, but if your goal is perform for a living, the dedication and time need to put in away from the stage.

I think the importance of focusing on training is why some BFA programs are moving away from putting on multiple mainstage programs during a year and instead are focusing on smaller works that reflect the type of training the students are receiving – it changes the focus from performing to learning and creating.

@jbtcat that is exactly what our daughters school is doing. They are putting on 1 big musical next year and 3 straight plays which will push the students and help them learn. They even talked to the students about it and said "we can do big “easier” productions or we can do things that will help you grow as an artist.

Wow, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this! My daughter has instinctively been moving more in this directions on her own, and it’s nice to hear the validation that it was a smart choice on her part. I’m not a performer, so I try to guide her best I can, but it has been a sharp learning curve for me. She was lucky to have a lot of success in community theater when she was younger and had gotten a lot of experience that way. Now that she’s in high school, and she’s already had a lot of performances under her belt, she doesn’t feel the need to audition for every single show. She evaluates each show carefully, looking especially for ones that are outside her comfort zone and will be a good growth experience. I was a little uncomfortable with this at first. I mean, everyone else we know seems to audition for every single show, whether or not there’s even a part for them. I’ve even had parents ask me why she didn’t audition for such and such, and I’m thinking, geez, she’s 15, give the kid a break!! Anyway, I’m glad I let her follow her gut on this, and as a benefit it has allowed more time for training, teching productions, and exploring other opportunities in student films, etc.

As I’ve been reading these boards recently, I have wondered how kids manage to get the lead in so many productions! Although we live in a small city, we do have a strong theater community, and theater and the arts are a big thing at a lot of our high schools, so there’s definitely a lot of competition. Sometimes kids do need some rejections under their belt to get a better idea of what this business is really about, plus, being in the ensemble is another great learning experience! And that’s totally not a knock at any kid who has landed the lead in every production! Believe me, my daughter would love to have never been rejected, and it would have saved me from quite a bit of stress as well!!

@FirstLobster, This is a very helpful post, and I do agree that serious training is important and often neglected or simply not available (as @theaterwork points out) when kids are in high school. And although I really agree with you, I also want to say that it’s important to continue to perform when/if possible. It’s so easy for them to lose the joy they get from performing during the college audition process.

I have heard the colleges say that kids are coming to them in the audition room more and more trained and skilled from their high schools. I had not even thought about that! That this has been the most important factor in raising the bar. And the high school have become more sophisticated in their training and productions, and also summer enrichment options have grown as a training ground

I agree 100% @Notmath1. As my S would say, “kids came to book”!