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<p>No I really don’t think I’m the only one with hardships, but I do think I’m one of the few who isn’t trying to get some snazzy job in a law firm which almost everyone going into law school is trying to do.</p>

<p>I’m okay with working in MN, that’s where I’m from.</p>

<p>There are scholarships too.</p>

<p>You never really answered if I’m coming from a UC would they really still need to look through and average in my CCC coursework if I’m applying to UCLA or UCB, I know GPA is heavily weighted but…? And what’s an URM??</p>

<p>A 180? That’s kinda high (just being realistic) but I’ll definitely get the MLSAT books and study for a long while. </p>

<p>Thanks for the advice</p>

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<p>I’m pretty sure most people are not looking for a snazzy job in a law firm. They just want a job period. It’s hard to get a job even as a public defender. There is simply an overflow of lawyers and all of them can’t be hired. I’m sure most are content with whatever job they can get in the field. Scholarships for law school will be really hard to come by as many are not offered. </p>

<p>Since UCLA and UCB are two top law schools your CCC coursework will be averaged out when applying. If your LSAT is not around 180 its pretty much impossible to be admitted to these schools. Law schools pride themselves on reputation and rarely admit mediocre applicants. To score well on the LSAT, it has to be something that you are good at. It’s pretty hard to teach those skills to students. It comes natural.</p>

<p>I think research is your best friend, everything you want is out there, you just have to take the initiative and find it. Your a big boy now. I hate when people ask questions on here that they can clearly research for themselves. </p>

<p>URM= Underrepresented minority</p>

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<p>There’s positions currently available at the Ventura County Public defender’s office as well as a few in LA county I asked a friend who’s a court clerk.</p>

<p>You should do your research too, UCLA admits a lot of LS students with a 162 LSAT score and a 3.5 GPA they have a 99% admit rate for this criteria, check it out for yourself. </p>

<p>Haha from what I’ve read on here people do that pretty much all day, like my initial question about the course being transferable could have easily been looked up but I wanted thoughts on it because then that leads to other questions I may not have thought about in the beginning.</p>

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<p>“There’s positions currently available at the Ventura County Public defender’s office as well as a few in LA county I asked a friend who’s a court clerk.” </p>

<p>What’s your point? You aren’t going to be out of LS for at least another 4-5 years. Many will apply for the position. Most won’t get it. You wouldn’t even get it because you’ll likely be attending a regional school in Minn, right? Who do you think would get the PI job in SoCal? A kid from UCLA/USC LS or a kid applying from Minnesota LS? </p>

<p>“No I really don’t think I’m the only one with hardships, but I do think I’m one of the few who isn’t trying to get some snazzy job in a law firm which almost everyone going into law school is trying to do.”</p>

<p>The majority of applicants want PI going in haha. GASP. Most who get offered a “snazzy” job take it because they realize they’re under a mountain of debt. Anyways, it doesn’t matter what you want to do in the future. Going PI or biglaw isn’t going to change your grades, LSAT score, or school. </p>

<p>"You should do your research too, UCLA admits a lot of LS students with a 162 LSAT score and a 3.5 GPA they have a 99% admit rate for this criteria, check it out for yourself. "</p>

<p>Those are URM’s bro. It stands for Underrepresented Minority. Which is essentially just African-Americans and Native Americans. UCB 25% is a 3.7 bro. UCB 75% is 3.91. A 3.5 isn’t going to cut it. UCLA is exactly the same except the 25% is a 3.6. </p>

<p>“There are scholarships too.”</p>

<p>Of course. You better be in the 75% to expect anything substantial. </p>

<p>“You never really answered if I’m coming from a UC would they really still need to look through and average in my CCC coursework if I’m applying to UCLA or UCB, I know GPA is heavily weighted but…? And what’s an URM??”</p>

<p>LSAC calculates every course ever taken. It doesn’t matter if you apply to Cooley, UCLA, NYU, or Harvard. It doesn’t matter if you apply from UCLA or Sac State. All of your CC and UC grades until you receive your BA will be factored into your cumulative LSAC GPA. </p>

<p>To put things into perspective for you, I wouldn’t even attend UCLA on a full-ride with stipends. The place is a factory and is regional. Anyone who gets into UCLA with a 3.5, 162 and pays sticker is a complete and utter moron. Seriously though, look at their employment statistics. Dropping over $200,000 for UCLA LS is laughable.</p>

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<p>I would ideally like to go to U of M but that doesn’t mean I’ll go there those are just ideals, what would be nice. If I went there then of course I’d work in the area.</p>

<p>But a huge factor is that I live in CA and I will have in state tuition here not there. And I’m a CA Foster youth, not MN.</p>

<p>So a majority don’t go into Tort Law, Contract Law or Business Law?</p>

<p>In this quote, ‘""You should do your research too, UCLA admits a lot of LS students with a 162 LSAT score and a 3.5 GPA they have a 99% admit rate for this criteria, check it out for yourself. "’</p>

<p>That’s not for URM’s that’s at UCLA it’s from TLS it’s their applicant pool and admit rate.</p>

<p>Where would you go then?</p>

<p>And I can always Teach at CCC’s until I can get a job in the field lol</p>

<p>I’d rather be $100,000 in debt and live knowing I fulfilled my goal and am a practicing lawyer than do anything else. </p>

<p>I haven’t researched Law Schools much I’m still only a junior in Undergrad I will definitely research more when I’m a senior.</p>

<p>I know it’s not going to change my grades, LSAT score or anything but my motivation can change both of those, optimism is a good tool to use.</p>

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<p>Where are you getting these numbers then? That’s basically at the 25% percentiles. 25th/75th: “UCLA: 3.58-3.89 164-169” MEDIAN: “168, 3.78” </p>

<p>The average kid has a near 3.8 with a 168 LSAT. Far from 162, 3.5. No one is getting in at both 25th % unless maybe you’re some URM that has some insane softs. </p>

<p>“So a majority don’t go into Tort Law, Contract Law or Business Law?” </p>

<p>That’s not what I’m saying. You made it seem as though you’re some special snowflake that doesn’t want to get biglaw. You wanting PI before 1L isn’t some rare thing bro. Most turn to corporate law while in LS for numerous reasons, one of those being that PI isn’t easy to get. I’m referring to this quote you said btw: </p>

<p>“No I really don’t think I’m the only one with hardships, but I do think I’m one of the few who isn’t trying to get some snazzy job in a law firm which almost everyone going into law school is trying to do.”</p>

<p>This is just flat out wrong. Although, I’m certainly one of those gunning for a snazzy job :slight_smile: </p>

<p>“Where would you go then?”</p>

<p>T14 except Georgetown. 9-13 would only go with $$$. 4-7 would go with any $. 1-3 sticker.</p>

<p>“And I can always Teach at CCC’s until I can get a job in the field lol” </p>

<p>With over $100,000 in debt (more likely 200K) you aren’t going to want to teach at CC after LS man. If you strike out at 2L/3L OCI and after 3L you start teaching at a CC, it’s going to be awful tough to ever land a job in the legal field. At least one that allows you to become a practicing lawyer. The market is grim man. </p>

<p>“I haven’t researched Law Schools much I’m still only a junior in Undergrad I will definitely research more when I’m a senior.” </p>

<p>That’s fine. All I’m saying is that if this doesn’t work out (LS) you better be happy with a Sociology degree. It’s important that you at least start thinking about it before you transfer.</p>

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<p>The irony is, that as a broke person landing the snazzy job at a good law firm (with promotions) is even more important then the rich kid with a silver spoon. The rich kids parents will provide him with a nice safety net & low/no loans upon graduation. For you on the other hand, that debt from undergrad + law school could end up being a ball and chain on your life; bankruptcy doesn’t work on student loans. I wouldn’t take debt lightly. </p>

<p>I’m also poor, I’ve ruled out graduate school or any professional school; I straight up cannot afford it. Furthermore I’ll need an undergrad degree that can kickstart a career and pay off any debt I accumulate. I tried engineering but STEM didn’t work out for me so I’m going with business. I know can pull off a 3.6+ at USC and that’ll kick start my career. Worst case I can ask my mom to get me a IT internship at a large firm. (sure works in IT) I might get into 100k of debt but I’ll be able to pay it off. It’s still a lot better than the 200k of debt for doctors or lawyers. Plus if I’m lucky I can get into Cal and then the debt won’t be such an issue.</p>

<p>I’d agree with what the other people have said: make sure you are conformable with your undergrad degree. I wanted to apply to UCSB but it’s got a horrible party school stigma so I decided against going there. More so sociology is considered a BS / Blow-off degree & coming from UCSB it’ll seem like all you cared about was partying hard in the iV. I’d be careful if I were you.</p>

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<p>@Snorlaz</p>

<p>From this article: [Advice</a> for Getting Into Law School - UCLA - A must read.](<a href=“http://www.applyingtoschool.com/forms/lawsch-ucla.aspx]Advice”>Advice for Getting Into Law School - UCLA - A must read.)</p>

<p>Haha as Macklemore said, " If I’d have done it for the money id have been a ****ing lawyer".</p>

<p>What are you stats???</p>

<p>I’m gunna go where the $$$ is offered ideally MN but wherever to get out for a reasonable price. </p>

<p>I’d be a counselor while going to law school or while looking for jobs in the legal field I love sociology I want to help in rehabilitation but if also like to be a lawyer and help in that way most of all. So yes I’d be happy with sociology. </p>

<p>@Bomerr</p>

<p>UCSB has excellent academics it’s just overshadowed by partying.</p>

<p>I’m getting a BA/BS in Sociology and minor in philosophy.
I’ll live with that ball and chain if I have to in order to do what I love.</p>

<p>I eventually want that high paying job but to start I want to help people as many as possible to be rehabilitated.</p>

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<p>So you’ve decided to minor in philosophy, Matt? Excellent, you make your uncle Cayton proud. ^_^</p>

<p>“The unexamined life is not worth living.”—Socrates</p>

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<p>Yeah, I figure there’s a lot one can learn from the perspectives of others and their philosophies.</p>

<p>And it will definitely help me as a sociologist, a lawyer, and as a person.</p>

<p>I appreciate the advice</p>

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<p>This is much more realistic. It looks like the site you linked is run by “admission officers,” most likely from TTT schools. </p>

<p>“More generally, I advise students to take the most demanding courses with the most demanding professors, because they are the ones who will help develop the analytical thinking skills so necessary for success on the LSAT.” </p>

<p>"ome people who take the LSAT and don’t do as well as they would like decide to take it again. If they improve their performance the second time around, they think the first score doesn’t count. That’s not necessarily true. My understanding is that many law schools will average the two scores, and as a result, the earlier, lower score does in fact count to some degree. "</p>

<p>When I saw this I seriously lol’d. This is awful advice. Ask any current LS student and they’re all going to say that taking the easy classes/professors and padding GPA is ultimately the route to go in UG. Also, everyone knows that the schools don’t actually average. Whatever score they can report for their rankings is going to be the score they care about. </p>

<p>I’m at a 3.87 right now but that will likely go up or down after my last 1 unit lab grade gets entered. I took 2 years off after HS and basically mapped out how to maximize my GPA/LSAT. I’ve been studying for the LSAT for about a year now at a relatively slow pace. It’s scary because I almost enjoy it these days haha.</p>

<p>Just focus on banging out A’s during the Spring and you’ll be in good shape. I’d recommend preparing for the LSAT but it isn’t as important as school. People generally say 6 months is enough time to do really well so no rush.</p>

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<p>These are research institutions. Basically what that means is you major in philosophy because you want to do philosophical research. e.g. You want to write a 20 page paper comparing and contrasting the moral differences between Victorian England and the modern era. These programs aren’t designed so you can “learn from the perspectives of others and their philosophies.” For that kind of knowledge you can gain more than enough practical real world information from a few books at the library.</p>

<p>A sociology or philosophy degree isn’t really applicable IRL. So if you get one of those, your degree’s merit will rest on that name of the university. For LA degrees this means you really want an Ivy education. The people with these degrees from schools like even UCLA or Cal probably have other stuff going for them, editor of newspaper or family connections internship, etc. So if you get that kind of degree, especially from an even lower school like UCSB you gotta be real realistic about the opportunities it provides.</p>

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<p>UCSB is a good school, their partying tends to overshadow their academics.</p>

<p>A Degree is a Degree whether it’s from Cal or UCSB.</p>

<p>And LS is a realistic option maybe not a T20 but definitely a LS.</p>

<p>You can be a lawyer in CA without going to LS maybe I’ll be a clerk then a lawyer ;)</p>

<p>Optimism is key.</p>

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<p>Depends on the career path you’re going to. If you want to go to law school, you’ll need higher than a 3.7 GPA to be competitive. A 3.8 is pretty safe but an outstanding LSAT score can really boost you. What the other posts are saying is that going to a top law school can really give you opportunities. Especially in this economy, right? </p>

<p>I mean there are other options though. It doesn’t always have to be professional school like law or medicine. So best of luck to you, dude. We can’t tell you what path to choose, just consider the realities of pursuing grad school. Without it, your degree in Sociology will not get you much places.</p>

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<p>Going to a top law school can definitely help especially in this economy to open doors, but also tend to have rigorous programs meaning one might have a harder time matriculating.</p>

<p>I was told there’s actually tons of jobs open for people with Sociology Degrees coming from any UC.</p>

<p>Public Relations, Counselor, Social Work, Paralegal, Socionomics (Not Socioeconomics), Teaching Pre-K - 1st Grade, field work for sociologists, working with police departments as a criminologist etc…</p>

<p>Sociology has tons of opportunities.</p>

<p>Whatever happens happens, I will revisit this discussion once I’m done with undergrad knowing my GPA and LSAT score and seeing what I have to work with, sound like a plan?</p>

<p>PS: I was told if you have above a 3.0 and a 175-180 on your LSAT you’re in.</p>

<p>True or False?</p>

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<p>“Going to a top law school can definitely help especially in this economy to open doors, but also tend to have rigorous programs meaning one might have a harder time matriculating.” </p>

<p>Not true. The “programs” really aren’t any more “rigorous” in terms of matriculating or passing classes. The only difference is the competition between students. I’m pretty sure those at Yale have a pretty easy going in LS haha. </p>

<p>“PS: I was told if you have above a 3.0 and a 175-180 on your LSAT you’re in.” </p>

<p>To where? You likely wouldn’t get into Berkeley or UCLA with those stats. The only school I know of that is worth going to (that is super-splitter friendly) is NorthWestern. That of course would come at near sticker. </p>

<p>K-JD LS students tend to not do as well in terms of employment. At this point, I think you should just focus on school, work in the Sociology field for X number of years and then you can focus on the LSAT and LS.</p>

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<p>So the coursework at Harvard is no more rigorous than UCLA?</p>

<p>Uhm I was told that from people who go to Columbia U and NYU.</p>

<p>Oh and you should look into Special Action Admission at UCLA it’s for students who it would not be fair to weigh their GPA as heavily as they do to other students because they have had MAJOR adversity and have overcome numerous obstacles just to be where they are and so they loosen the grip on GPA and review them holistically.</p>

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<p>I know this might seem like an odd question but:</p>

<p>Say one gets Admitted to either UCD, UCB, or UCLA for Undergrad.</p>

<p>They graduate with a 3.5 - 3.6 GPA and want to apply to UCD, UCB, Or UCLA LS would they have a better chance of getting in than other applicants applying from other schools with the same or slightly better stats?</p>

<p>(Like just continuing in the same school I.e. UCB undergrad to UCB LS)</p>

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<p>I’m not suggesting the OP go into law right now, but seriously . . . a 180 on the LSAT will get you in anywhere. Even HYPS. You’re talking about a perfect LSAT score of 180 when the mean LSAT score for decades has been hovering in the 150-155 range. <1% of LSAT takers score 180, and even fewer on their first go through. With LS applications dropping 11%, I’m willing to bet money that nearly any LS in the nation would take a 3.0 GPA with a 175-180 LSAT score.</p>

<p>Take a look at the nice bell curve on page 8 of last year’s LSAC report (page 12 of the actual PDF doc):
<a href=“http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/research-(lsac-resources)/tr-12-03.pdf[/url]”>http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/research-(lsac-resources)/tr-12-03.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The next page also nicely shows means and the standard deviations. The SD in the 2011-12 year was ~10 with the mean of ~150 (this is similar to the entire 6 years previous to that). So a score of 180 is ~3 SD away from the mean. Any value >2.5 times the SD is an outlier and a great one at that.</p>

<p>Don’t try to downplay the perfect LSAT score, especially in a decreasing applicant pool (so LSs have less of those 180s to go around). Nearly any school will take a 180 without even as much as noticing that you have a GPA - let alone a sub-B one.</p>

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<p>"So the coursework at Harvard is no more rigorous than UCLA?</p>

<p>Uhm I was told that from people who go to Columbia U and NYU."</p>

<p>So, people at Columbia and NYU know that Harvard is more rigorous than UCLA? That’s interesting considering they don’t go to either school. Haha. The grading system at Harvard is much easier compared to UCLA. That’s the only thing I can tell you. </p>

<p>@TR, </p>

<p>“a 180 on the LSAT will get you in anywhere. Even HYPS.”</p>

<p>LOL. This is flat out wrong. Are you just pulling this out of your arse based on intuition? Good luck getting into Yale, Stanford or even Harvard with a 3.0 GPA! And why is P in there? Penn isn’t even close to HYS. Sure, if you have a 180 and a 3.0 you might be able to nab Penn at sticker. </p>

<p>“Don’t try to downplay the perfect LSAT score, especially in a decreasing applicant pool (so LSs have less of those 180s to go around). Nearly any school will take a 180 without even as much as noticing that you have a GPA - let alone a sub-B one.” </p>

<p>I’m not downplaying a 180. Do you really think schools care about having 180’s though? Sure, they’re nice, but schools like HYS are going to take a 4.0 with a 176 over a 3.0 with a 180 any day of the week. Why? Because that raises both medians. Why would they take on a splitter with a terribly low GPA? They have PLENTY of qualified applicants that can raise their GPA and LSAT scores. </p>

<p>Let’s face it. OP likely isn’t getting a 180. He’s going to have to put in a ton of work to hit that 170+ Until then, he should be realistic. Not playing out hypotheticals with 180 scores, which, as you noted, is incredibly rare.</p>