<p>oh yes, you mean the “ethnic” courses that President Nixon and President Clinton take in college right? They must have exerted “HUGE” impacts in the Watergate and Lewinsky affairs ha.</p>
<p>Seriously, collegechecker, i think you made a big mistake by bringing idology into college. As an adult, you should send possitive messages to the young people on this forum. The most important thing for both US and Chinese Young men is respect, understanding and cooperating, not arguing.</p>
<p>stargazing, bearcats’ statement (#34) was inappropriate, ignorant, and irrelevant.</p>
<p>Out of all the CC forums I’ve visited, this Michigan forum is the only one that harbors its very own ■■■■■■. </p>
<p>The OP asked for advice regarding possible transfer. Instead of giving any advice or at least remaining silent on the issue, one of you Wolverines took it upon yourself to (gratuitously) let us hear about your Cliff Notes version of global politics. </p>
<p>@ bizInt: Transfer to Wharton if you get in. If this Michigan board is any indication of your future “peers,” get out while you still have a chance. You should also consider transferring to an ivy-level school with a strong economics program. Imho, the only undergraduate business degrees worth the paper that they are printed on are Wharton and (to a lesser extent) MIT Sloan.</p>
<p>Yea, this has gone way off-topic. I 100% agree with nyccard. That said, Ross will do good by you just because all the top companies go to Ross to recruit. It’s really not very warranted - speak with any candid Ross student. They know the school isn’t that good from an educational standpoint, but it has amazing recruiting resources due to the relationships it has with the top companies. It would be more valuable to study economics, or math, or something else you’re interested in at an ivy league school. Banks recruit there and don’t ask you any technical questions in interviews; they’re looking for the right PERSON, as opposed to when they come to Ross, and most of your interview is technical. They expect you to know finance/accounting because you supposedly should know it coming from Ross (even though you barely have much fin/acc under your belt by the time you apply for internships).</p>
<p>I don’t mean to sound sour; if you’re aiming for top jobs, you get good grades at Ross and build up good extracurrics you will get interviews at the top places (would do you good to get some relevant experience as well). Yes, Wharton will provide better opportunities all else equal, but Ross opens doors simply because of the recruiting (not the material you learn). If I had my pick in an ideal world, I would choose a top ivy and get a good liberal arts education instead of wasting my undergraduate education on a professional degree. But it’s all about your options and what you’re end goal is (job, or other).</p>
<h1>33 was right on</h1>
<p>“If I had my pick in an ideal world, I would choose a top ivy and get a good liberal arts education instead of wasting my undergraduate education on a professional degree”</p>
<p>So would many people. HYP are the top Ivies. I didn’t see the OP mentioning them in this thread.</p>
<p>“That said, Ross will do good by you just because all the top companies go to Ross to recruit. It’s really not very warranted - speak with any candid Ross student. They know the school isn’t that good from an educational standpoint, but it has amazing recruiting resources due to the relationships it has with the top companies.”</p>
<p>Please enlighten me how you have managed to talk to every graduate of Ross.</p>
<p>1) What does it matter whether he mentioned it or not. Unless you’re claiming all threads only discuss the exact content of the OP’s post.</p>
<p>2) I used the word “candid”. Look it up in a dictionary if you don’t understand what the word means.</p>
<p>@giants92,
hey!thanks for the information. one more question, if i am determined to take a business career like in a consulting or IB company(most likely consulting), which one, between Ross and a middle ivy like Columbia, will better place me in the Wall Street?</p>
<p>if in Columbia I will study in SEAS. namely a middle ivy engineering vs top professional business program.</p>
<p>I’m just curious, why would you not like to study engineering at Michigan? Michigan is ranked waaay higher than Columbia for all of its engineering departments (top 10 engineering school).</p>
<p>2) I used the word “candid”. Look it up in a dictionary if you don’t understand what the word means. </p>
<p>I understand perfectly what it means. You are saying that every “candid” Ross student thinks that his/her school “isn’t that good from an educational standpoint.” So according to you, the ones that brag that their school is good are not being candid? How presumptuous is that statement?</p>
<p>Also, not sure why the OP is so interested in giants92 opinion. Alexandre would be a much better source for this type of information.</p>
<p>@Flipper519,
it is not just about the rankings. Umich’s engineering program is definitely fantastic. However, I like CU’s location more. Imho, the best undergraduate engineering school does not merely offer the knowledge and get the best trainning in engineering practises. I value both the knowledge and VISIONS. In the NYC, you will have more recourses to open your eyes to the world and certainly have more internship opportunities. </p>
<p>What’s more, SEAS has a class size of 300 students but Umich has a 1000. not quite sure about the professors, but they have likely the same number of undergraduate majors. People will receive more personal attention for sure.</p>
<p>I think rankings highly focus on research ablity, which is mainly the graduate school.</p>
<p>Go to Columbia. I havn’t been showing up for almost any classes and doing any assignments for the past 3 weeks because I was flying in and out of new york constantly. I was in NY 3 out of 5 weekdays last week, 4 out of 5 weekdays the week before and I am in new york again right now. It takes a huge toll on you in terms of schoolwork and travelling constantly for interviews is just a pain in the butt. If you were in columbia, all you have to do is go across the street.</p>
<p>“it is not just about the rankings. Umich’s engineering program is definitely fantastic. However, I like CU’s location more. Imho, the best undergraduate engineering school does not merely offer the knowledge and get the best trainning in engineering practises. I value both the knowledge and VISIONS. In the NYC, you will have more recourses to open your eyes to the world and certainly have more internship opportunities.”</p>
<p>If you are looking to do work in engineering, I fail to see how NYC is so much better for in that regard. Columbia and the ivies are all fantastic schools, but they are not always the best choice for everything and everyone.</p>
<p>bizInt, I would go to Columbia if I were you. You are much closer to the action for IB and MC. I don’t claim to know the intricacies of recruiting at Columbia, but I feel like you will have good access to recruiters coming from their engineering program, because I don’t believe Columbia has an undergrad B-school to hog all the companies (cough cough Ross). Also, from a pure educational standpoint, an engineering degree is much more valuable. If you feel like you need a formal business education to continue your career later down the road, you can always go for an MBA. The only perk to studying at an undergrad b-school is the recruiting it gets you. There is barely any value added from then getting an MBA if you already have a BBA.</p>
<p>novi, I think every intelligent, down-to-earth, realistic Ross BBA realizes that the education is bull*****. What the heck is the point of studying business as an undergrad? Ask any BBA grad, and he/she will tell you that you learn 99% of what you need to know on the job; that any sensible company would prefer someone with experience, but without a formal business education, 100 times out of 100 over someone with the degree but no experience. A very talented Ross student who accepted an amazing job for next year has been blowing off his classes ever since he locked it down - because the classes are useless.</p>
<p>The most useful aspect of the Ross BBA degree BY FAR is the access it gives you to recruiters. Taking recruiting out of the equation, it’s much more worthwhile to study economics, math, engineering, or another interesting non-professional degree. For those who will require MBAs to further their career, it will be a ton of repetition.</p>
<p>“novi, I think every intelligent, down-to-earth, realistic Ross BBA realizes that the education is bull*****. What the heck is the point of studying business as an undergrad? Ask any BBA grad, and he/she will tell you that you learn 99% of what you need to know on the job; that any sensible company would prefer someone with experience, but without a formal business education, 100 times out of 100 over someone with the degree but no experience. A very talented Ross student who accepted an amazing job for next year has been blowing off his classes ever since he locked it down - because the classes are useless.”</p>
<p>Well that’s pathetic and I hope it’s not true. I just can’t imagine universities such as Michigan, Pennsylvania, Berkeley, Virginia, and the like think that their business schools are “bull****.”</p>
<p>“bizInt, I would go to Columbia if I were you. You are much closer to the action for IB and MC. I don’t claim to know the intricacies of recruiting at Columbia, but I feel like you will have good access to recruiters coming from their engineering program, because I don’t believe Columbia has an undergrad B-school to hog all the companies (cough cough Ross).”</p>
<p>I know this is untrue. Alexandre has many times indicated that engineering and LSA students are both recruited from those types of companies. Just curious giants92, are you a student or graduate of Michigan?</p>
<p>Alexandre is just so unbelievably DEAD WRONG. I am a current student of Michigan. Let me lay out the facts for you:</p>
<p>I will preface this by saying I am only talking about internship recruiting, as that is what I just went through. I am not as knowledgeable about full-time recruiting, but I can’t imagine it being too different. </p>
<p>This is a ballpark guess, but there are maybe 15-20 investment banks that recruit at Ross. By recruit at Ross, I mean they post jobs on iMpact, Ross’s “career center website”, in which ONLY ROSS STUDENTS can drop their resumes for interview consideration. Even if Ross students aren’t selected by the company for their closed interview list, they can use “bidding points” to literally bid for open slot interviews. If you’re in LSA and you want to be considered for these interviews, you have to do your own recruiting, your own networking, JUST TO GET NOTICED. You can neither drop your resume for a closed list, nor can you bid for open interview slots. If you’re talented, have a good resume (key: prior relevant work experience), and you NETWORK WITH BANKERS/RECRUITERS, sometimes you can be granted and “off the record” interview. There were maybe 3 or 4 banks that recruited on LSA’s career center website, and they certainly were not considered top banks.</p>
<p>Consulting isn’t very different. There were maybe 5 postings on Ross for consulting (keep in mind, the consulting industry has a much smaller formal internship market). There was 1 on LSA, McKinsey, but mostly Ross students were selected for McKinsey interviews.</p>
<p>Alexandre is a very proud Michigan alum, but he’s outright wrong. I don’t understand how I can paint a plainer picture.</p>
<p>^^^Thanks for answering my question. I can’t speak for Alexandre, but I’m sure he’ll respond to your comments.</p>
<p>Whether or not he responds, those are the facts. He is not at Michigan and hasn’t been for a while. I’m here right now.</p>