transferring out of nyu to emory chances??

Right now I’m a freshman in the business program at nyu (stern) and I’m looking to transfer out to do premed hopefully at Emory. I was waitlisted senior year in high school for Emory and I’m looking to get in again after a dissapointing semester at my current school.

Stats:
HS GPA: 3.5
-10 AP classes
Rank: top 5%
SAT: 2260 (R 790, W 730, M 740)
SAT IIs: Math II - 780, Chem - 730

Clubs:
Environmental club
Music service club
Tutoring club

Other:
hospital volunteering
paid summer itern at a camp
band and other accomplishments with my instrument

Work:
worked at tuturoing center during senior year

College clubs:
dorm representative club

College stats: Idk yet but I am aiming for a 3.6 and above since the academics are really hard here. I’m not sure what the GPA cutoff is for Emory transfers but do you think they take into account that some schools have downward curves?

Please chance me.

@potato133 : You should get in, but realize the following. If the academics are really hard, most would not be aiming for 3.6 as a freshman. In addition, if you are in the business school, the downcurves are common practice (at like every school, especially elites) and actually reveal that the content and assessments in the courses are actually really easy to the point where they want to curve grades to fit a distribution that make the courses appear more rigorous than they are. If you do pre-med at a place like Emory, unless you plan to not receive a good education, you will run into courses that need to be curved UP so that the majority can pass the courses with something beyond a D. These are usually the best instructors and write much harder exams than instructors at other peer institutions largely because the class sizes are smaller.

NYU has about the same students as Emory (at least score wise), but is known for easier grading overall: http://www.gradeinflation.com/Nyu.html

http://www.gradeinflation.com/Emory.html

*Note that Emory’s graduating GPA last year was 3.39, so it has pretty much stagnated at the levels of 2012.

If you only aim to achieve a nice looking transcript as pre-med at Emory, there are ways to choose STEM instructors (assuming you are much better than the other students who typically choose those instructors), but if you want to be well prepped for MCAT training, get good rec. letters, etc, you will likely have to be very challenged even in comparison to your current NYU experience, at least in terms of the actual level of work you do. The only upside is that these folks, again, are hard enough to scale upwards sometimes or implement other ways to soften the effect of the exams (Emory is known as a pre-med school where the best professors give unusually challenging exams or do things differently such as take a courses that is traditionally memorization and plug and chug and make it more about thinking).

If I were you, I would not worry about the rigor of your current school or the potential new one and would instead figure out exactly why you want to do pre-med at Emory as opposed to NYU or somewhere else.

If you got accepted into Stern, why would you want to give that up? Emory’s college life feel isn’t that great either, and Stern can easily place you into a BB bank for investment banking or a very good consulting firm. In NYC, your resources are at their maximum. If you are interested in pre-med, Emory would make sense, but your networking skills would need to be a lot better if you are going to a school in Atlanta rather than NYC. Btw Emory is as hard if not harder than NYU.

Because they actually like it…and noticed the difference when they originally visited? Again, maybe they do not have the same idea of “college experience” as you do and may have friends at Emory who portray a lot of satisfaction. You actually assume that the OP actually wanted to do a business degree…and didn’t do it out of convenience.

@undergrad20

Some honest questions for you:

  1. Have you ever visited NYU's campus?

I ask because, if you had, you’d realize that NYU differs greatly from Emory’s. NYU - for starters - doesn’t have a traditional campus but is instead ensconced within and spread out among several building spread out over several blocks in Manhattan. The buildings are old - like Manhattan - and there is no campus per se that is set off from the rest of the city. Emory is very different in this regard.

  1. Apart from the lack of Division I athletics, how is Emory's college life lacking?

People I know who attend Emory with a good attitude have very fulfilling lives in addition to doing very well academically and forming great relationships with professors as TAs, research assistants, etc. They’re involved in student government and the performing arts.

  1. Why does an Emory premed need better networking skills than a NYU premed?

Why does being in Atlanta, in other words, disadvantage someone who’s applying to medical school?

  1. What has your experience been at Emory in your field of study, in your extracurriculars and in your social life?
  1. I live in NYC. NYU brands its campus on being the whole city of Manhattan. I actually like this aspect of NYU as you actually get to see how it feels to live like in Manhattan, all while still having a large number of friends to experience it with.
  2. People underrate the importance of division 1 athletics. It provides a sense of unity and bonding for the student-body. I can walk outside in a different college hoody everyday for a week and no one would care (which I have done before). Aka, there is no school spirit at Emory. You do not get a sense of pride being from Emory as you would Michigan, USC, UNC, etc. The experience of thousands of students and alumni coming to division 1 athletic events is unforgettable. Imagine how tightly bonded a student body would be after going to a major rivalry game, such as Michigan vs Ohio State or Duke vs UNC. I say this because Emory is so lacking in school spirit that my former high school probably had more school spirit in it (4000 kids helped that out).
  3. Most people who go to Emory don't actually want to work in the south. There are more jobs in the north and NYU is fantastic for connections because it is in the heart of NYC. Therefore, networking would be much easier as more companies would be able to come to you. As for Emory, although it is known for its outstanding medical program worldwide, a student who wants to work in the north will have a harder time doing so because of location (not saying its impossible, just harder) and Emory's lack of a large alumni network. (Btw I took this question as someone who is graduating from med school. I'm pre-business so that part of my statement probably applies more to me since Emory is very well known in the medical field.)
  4. As someone who is pre-business, I am eagerly waiting to enter Goizueta. I cannot say how my experience has been yet as I have not personally been able to network with companies. However, I know that fellow aspiring investment bankers have said that although some major banks do recruit on campus, it is much harder to get an interview with them than it would be from a school with a much more reputable business school or econ program (UMich Ross, All 8 Ivies, MIT, Duke, UVA, etc.). Emory is defined as a strong semi-target in terms of banking, as in many companies do recruit on campus, but you will most likely have to do the rest in terms of networking and making connections, especially if you want to work on a major bank on Wall Street. I am very involved in my extracurriculars and I find that to be one of the most enjoyable things about Emory. Without them I would probably be bored with the amount of free time I would have. The social scene at Emory is very unique for a college. I have many close friends and we share a special bond as a friend group, but that's how it usually stays at Emory. People are divided and do not like mixing friend groups (probably from the lack of unity as a student body). As for actual parties, they are usually disappointing and you find many students just heading to Georgia Tech to party instead. Also, Emory Village is pretty lackluster in terms of an area where college students can get something to eat or shop.

Emory is a great school overall, but there are still many problems with it that even the president has recognized. That is why Emory is trying to shift itself to match what these other prestigious schools are doing (except for D1 athletics).

@undergrad20 I think you may have missed the part of the OP post which points to changing majors to pre-med. At that level, Emory may be a better choice than NYU. In any case, it’s been a very long time since I earned my BBA from Emory. As you say, the social scene is a bit different and can break off into pods. I do think college sports are overrated and, for most schools, an incredible waste of resources. I say that as a sports nut. I wish you the best in the business school and I would be pretty confident that you will be provided with excellent opportunities in the business world. These days you might want to look into pursuing internship opportunities no matter where you go. Those put candidates a leg up.

@ljberkow This assumption that going to certain b-schools opens up opps like magic is really interesting. Some schools are extremely competitive and you better believe those with access to say, top IBs (if everyone wants to do that) have internship experiences. They don’t just get interviews because they went to X. They have to have some connection or experience.

Not to mention, if one is interested in an MBA in the future, Emory as a whole has great feeder capabilities to top ones (I believe P and Q ranked Emory 9 in the last cycle, a very strong performance for a school less selective than peers. Inexperienced and un-involved people do not easily place into top MBAs, sorry. And good MBA programs are not as much of stats whores like other professional schools. They obviously look for more strength in other things).

Also they said “people” under-rate D1 sports. This sounds like a projection to me in that they don’t necessarily like that a huge chunk, if not majority, of students at Emory, who are happy, don’t rate it as extremely important but they themselves see it as important because they need and want that type of rah rah spirit and others on campus do not need it anywhere near as much. They end up bored with the offerings while other students live quite fulfilling and even fun lives.

Interestingly, some D-1 privates are very splintered as well, instead you get larger pods. You sometimes get the Greek/sports crowd, and you get “everyone else” and in cases where the student body is much less diverse than other elites to begin with, this sometimes starts to break down along ethnic demographic lines, with mainly Caucasians and non-URM American citizens on one side, having one set of experiences (and sometimes not even that plentiful) and everyone else not as much (and in fact often not even being as welcome to join the other experience). I have my friends describe their school as having this type of vibe if you are on it despite folks simply seeing “tons of school spirit” from the outside. I kind of liked Emory because it was fairly easy to float between whatever “pods”. There was hardly no paradigm that said that such “factions” were permanent. I had friends from many and would often join them in whatever their activities or hobby was.

It gave me many new experiences that I would not have gotten on a campus with a more homogeneous student body and social scene. Also, because of the differences, it always left an activity or some recurring event on campus to “discover” and as an open-minded person, I’m a discovery type of person. It breaks the monotony. For example, if sports, traditional greek party, and that type of fervor were everything, many other events would get completely drowned out, especially during home games. It has even been said to be responsible for patterns of behavior and traditions that reduce productivity. Like at some schools, including an elite private or two, teachers may just have to cancel class before a game simply because attendance is historically low. And it isn’t like Dooley Week, where classes are drawing to a close, it is anytime there is a home game. I do not know how I feel about that. But if it can frequently affect class attendance then I imagine it would effect non-sports related events (which at those schools are known to avoid scheduling near home games or campus). Again, it could provide certain feel good moments or something to cheer for, but dampen or add homogeneity to campus life in other areas where it shouldn’t. And it could leave out a huge chunk.

Also, there is the fact that, likely due to the reason I mention above, about the splintering of campus into literally 2 large or 3 large camps, the fervor from sports ends up very temporary at some places (especially if it does have a team or teams that win championships with any sort of frequency)

The D-1 sports thing is a more complicated animal than one should be led to believe. It is not an instant solution, especially at a place like Emory. The effect cannot be assumed to be uniformly good even if it does say, draw more apps (from whom is the question. Would Emory transform into a more laid back campus with high scorers? Would it become less productive? This is a legitimate possibility if you sell your sports to draw apps. Notice how Duke has gotten out of this habbit and instead mostly sells its special academic and co-curricular offerings to undergraduate prospectives. Otherwise, they would still have the strong student body having much less post-grad success than peer schools because the crowd they would attract would just be less intense and perhaps there more for the social life with the excellent academics an added bonus. If you mostly market sports, school pride, etc, even as an elite, it may work short term, but have long term effects that are unanticipated. Again, I believe Emory is outperforming many of its more selective peers in this arena for a reason. Ask our two recent Marshalls, Goldwaters, the Rhodes, and all the Fulbrights if they just had terrible and boring times when on campus. My guess is that they managed to find and intended to find joy in some other way).

@bernie12 I don’t want to give the impression that I was agreeing with the response that said that NYU will hook its grads into investment banks in NYC and Emory grads have nothing. I don’t even think that Emory wants to be a main breeding ground for investment bankers. In any case, I graduated from Emory’s business school many years ago and I can say the degree has some currency.

As for division one sports, I don’t even know why that’s a discussion here on these boards. Anyone opening up these forums knows that Emory doesn’t have it and students and graduates don’t care. The beautiful campus, the weather, Atlanta, pro sports, and opportunities to play intramural sports are enough. As for the pods, you are correct, people find them at all schools, even those with the D-1 programs. My son is a junior in high school. Sports are very important to him. That doesn’t prevent Emory from being at the top of his early lists.

People underestimate the competitiveness of Division III athletics as well.

This past year an Emory swimmer came within a place or two of qualifying for two Olympic swimming events.

If you look at the personal best times for Emory track and field athletes, they’re not bad at all and are indeed quite unattainable for most human beings.

Emory does actively recruit for athletes.

Nothing about Division III athletics inherently precludes it from being a focal point for school spirit.

My impression for why athletics hasn’t become more of one for Emory is that it has to do with the absence of athletic rivalries with geographically proximate schools that play Emory on a regular basis while also being Emory’s peers academically.

Vanderbilt, Duke, Georgia Tech and Rice are Emory’s approximate academic and geographic peers but they play in entirely different athletic conferences and are in fact all Division I athletic programs.

Contrast the Ivy Leagues where each of the eight play against universities that are peer schools both academically and geographically and they’ve been so for many, many years. That’s how rivalries develop and rivalries are how sports garner attention on campus and promote school spirit.

That’s my two cents.

@ljberkow No I was actually more so agreeing and adding to what you said!

@BiffBrown Agreed, but many of the Ivies and some D-3 non-Ivies and LACs honestly are quirky or have interesting (okay, I guess I mean students more interested in shaking things up with regard to campus life) enough students to develop their own traditions that have nothing to do with sports that have a noticeable effect on campus life and student enjoyment. So it is not impossible to do so without sports. Sports are simply much more traditional and require less ingenuity and creativity from the students (it is something we have been trained to rally around before even attending college). However, the places who have non-sports or Greek related traditions that unify campus effectively are ultimately a bit more interesting. The schools that have the sports rivalries, but still maintain a vibe that is still very unique because of the other traditions they develop are also very interesting. Honestly, Emory could get around it by perhaps rethinking how the reshalls and reslife works. A lot of the cool traditions at some Ivies come from the distinct things developed by reshalls. The reshalls have more “character” (notice how Dobbs, has kind of a unique character because of its age and size…even after the renovations. Same with Alabama. They seem to have tighter bonding and host more frequent activities or are at least the site of activities They both have their own courtyard area or something close by that attracts students, like the tree outside of Alabama…the new dorms just don’t give off this sort of vibe…). Perhaps Emory is simply too “new” both in terms of prestige and in terms of architecture to pull off the same vibe. Then there is also the sprawl of non-freshmen reshalls. Also, the growth in enrollment numbers (which happened fairly fast) can have an effect on how fast something is to develop. Seems that Emory students are not on board with any type of “rivalry” with another school. A long time ago, an SGA pres. attempted to develop a fake rivalry against WUSTL that had mixed reactions.