Trip Report: Wisconsin-Madison

<p>Although I don't post regularly, I thought others might be interested in a report on a college visit my family just completed - we combined a trip to the in-laws with stops at University of Wisconsin - Madison and DePaul. As a quick refresher: DD is a rising junior interested in large schools and/or urban campuses with a vibrant music scene (alternative/emo/indie) and a good business department (with internship possibilities a plus.) We realize that summer is not the ideal time to visit campuses, but at this stage of the game, we're trying to keep things low-key and combine vacations with visits whenever possible.</p>

<p>The University of Wisconsin has a beautiful campus - 900 acres of trees, flowers, and gently rolling hills situated on the shores of Lake Mendota. The town of Madison itself offers many restaurants, bars and shops (DD spent some time browsing the music stores) and is often cited as a "best place" to live and work. We happened to be there just as summer school ended, so there were still quite a few students milling about.... just enough to give us a flavor of the campus atmosphere. In fact, we spent the night before our visit/tour wandering along State Street (the main drag), eating dinner and people-watching.</p>

<p>The information session was pretty standard - a slickly-produced video followed by a power point presentation. The admissions official was informative if not terribly inspired. In their profile of admitted students, the GPA (middle 50%) is 3.5-3.9 (UW academic) with an ACT range of 26-30 (SAT 1180-1350). Someone asked about out-of-state admissions and if the admission criteria were noticeably different; her answer was "different but not noticeably." (It looks as if Wisconsin has a large number of out-of-staters - between 25 and 30%. At our session we had a healthy contingent of prospective students from the East coast and other Midwestern states.) The estimated cost of attendance for an out-of-state student is now $31,000 (as compared to $16,000 for in-state.) </p>

<p>The admission counselor was rightly proud of 2 statistics: that Wisconsin has produced the most Fortune 500 CEOs (okay, they're tied with Harvard) AND they also send more graduates to the Peace Corps than any other university. I also thought it was interesting that the speaker strongly encouraged applicants to submit at least 2 letters of recommendation (one academic and one personal), even though (technically) such letters are not required.</p>

<p>Our guide for the campus tour was awesome - enthusiastic but not overwhelming, with a sardonic sense of humor. (For example: Did you know that the Languages Dept. at Wisconsin offers a course in Elvish?) He also solidified my daughter's interest in Madison when he mentioned that he plays lead and bass guitar and has taken music classes in guitar/band. The tour lasted about 90 minutes and included exterior stops at most of the major classroom buildings and libraries. We did visit several classrooms where the guide talked about class size (average class size of 29 and 10% of classes with 100 students or more.) Several parents expressed concern over class size, and the guide did mention that the Honors College was one way to avoid the "dreaded TAs." (Disclaimer: Back in the day I myself was a TA, so I know that they're not necessarily the boogeyman that many imagine.)</p>

<p>The dorm room seemed standard: cinder block walls, tile flooring, pretty cramped (but aren't they all?) Housing options appear to be varied, with "most" freshmen living in one of 15 University Residence Halls. We didn't get a chance to eat on campus, but there seemed to be plenty of options. We heard a lot about the plethora of campus organizations, and of course they offer any major you can think of (Iberian Studies or Rural Sociology, anyone?) The quantity and quality of potential majors is appealing to me, since my daughter is still undecided (although leaning towards business, as I said.) The business school is highly regarded and recently required a 3.4-3.6 GPA for admission.</p>

<p>Daughter's impression? She liked it better than the other large state schools we've visited (oh, and it helped that The Fray was scheduled to give a concert there.) She feels that here would be a critical mass of "her kind of people"(whatever that means), and she liked the laid-back, liberal-leaning vibe of the campus. She also liked the "large-ness" of it all. At this point, it's still "on the list."</p>

<p>Parents' opinion? I liked it just fine. The quality of the academics and the reputation of the school are definitely selling points. The large size bothers me a little, but that's her choice, not mine.</p>

<p>Boy, this is much longer than I thought it would be! Guess I'll do the DePaul report later....... Hope this is helpful to some one else.</p>

<p>scout,
Thanks so much for your informative trip report! My D is definitely applying to UW, hopefully in about a month. She is like your D in preferring mid to large schools that offer a wide range of academic opportunities. It's great to hear so many positive things about UW and Madison as my D won't be able to visit before applying.</p>

<p>If your daughter is the "alternative" style type she might find the co-ops the alt version of sororities.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.madisoncommunity.coop/membershipping.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.madisoncommunity.coop/membershipping.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>That's really interesting. Thank you for that. I'm applying as a transfer there.</p>

<p>Thanks for your report; this is a place I've had in the back of my mind for my son when the time comes. Sounds like an interesting campus and worth the trip for a visit (if he agrees, of course, at this point he's just enjoying hs--rising sophomore--and hasn't even begun to think about college!).</p>

<p>Thanks for this report. Very interesting. Maybe it should be added to my son's search for engineering. When I was a kid, though, we used to go to Wisconsin to visit relatives, and it always seemed like we were involved in a tornado!</p>

<p>We actually also visited UW and Madison last week. It was way too large for my daughter, but my son LOVED the action and sense of excitement, and would have been happy to spend the rest of his life browsing the Indie record stores on State Street. It is my understanding, however, that the Honors College program is only for students in the Arts & Sciences division, not other divisions like engineering. And, it is quite competitive, with the average GPA of those entering Honors as freshmen hovering at 3.9 on a 4.0 scale, and average test scores above 30 on the ACT and 1340 on the SATs. Requirement for being invited to apply for the program are somewhat lower (3.6 GPA). Still, a very nice option for top students looking for small school opportunities within a very large school. One nice extra about UW: It has one of the highest out of state student percentages of any of the Big Ten schools, something like 40% if I remember correctly.</p>

<p>The College of Ag and Life Sciences also has an honors/research program. CALS is home to many of the popular biosciences at UW.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cals.wisc.edu/students/prospectiveStudents/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cals.wisc.edu/students/prospectiveStudents/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>You should definitely look into UT-Austin.</p>

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<p>Hah!!! Try walking up Bascom Hill every day. Gently rolling indeed.</p>

<p>Come on tsdad, the walk is good for you! Help you to keep your figure... ;)</p>

<p>Thanks for all the comments! It's good to hear from others considering midwestern universities.</p>

<p>Weenie, funny you should mention tornadoes - I went to grad school in Iowa, where it sometimes seemed as if we lived in the basement, waiting out the tornado sirens! We're planning a Boston trip for the spring and will be stopping at Northeastern while we're there.</p>

<p>Hey, Carolyn - we could have bumped into you at B-Side Records! The honors program did sound very competitive, although our tour guide did mention that different colleges had different requirements. My daughter doesn't seem particularly concerned about the "small school opportunities" offered by the honors program, so it may not even be on her radar screen (yet.) She WAS gratified to hear about the high percentage of out-of-state-ers, though.</p>

<p>Okay, so "gently rolling" was a slight exaggeration. How about "gently rolling with one big exception"? (It's all pretty rolling when compared to Iowa....)</p>

<p>Barron, someone on another board suggested that you might be able to provide some insight into the intellectual climate at UW-Madison. How would you compare it to say UMichigan or Berkeley in terms of opportunities to connect with intellectually gifted fellow-students? My son is an intellectually curious kid, but also very social, and I think that is one of the appeals of UW for him --- just wondering if you think it is possible to get both aspects at UW?</p>

<p>I was there in a what I think was a more thoughtful and intellectual time--the late 60's early 70's and people would regularly cram certain lectures just to hear the profs ideas without even being in the class. There were film societies of every kind with 40-50 films a week shown on campus ranging from french classics to early John Waters. Everyone and everything was political and few people knew I was in the business school.</p>

<p>I think it compares to Michigan pretty well with a bit more zaniness and humour valued over strict grade focus. Berkeley has changed so much I can't say. It was very similar to the old Berkeley. The reputation in the sciences has exploded and attracts many more science minded students to campus. Everyone I knew outside of business was strictly liberal arts--sociology, poli sci, psych, history etc. There are more well qualified students than ever.</p>

<p>Thanks. The "zaniness and humor over strict grades" describes my son quite well. I guess we'll have to go back for an "official" tour at some point. Although, it is probably be too much to hope for to have both my kids land in the same state. :)</p>

<p>I just had to echo barrons' comment about Wisconsin's reputation in the sciences. I know that my employer (a large pharmaceutical company) thinks very highly of Wisconsin grads, and all of us appreciate zaniness and humor!</p>

<p>My favorite thing about Madison--pink flamingos all the way up Bacom Hill from Lake St. in the early 1980s. Sponsored by the clowns who took over student government for two years called the Pail and Shovel Party.</p>

<p>Two weeks ago someone climbed up the flag pole atop Bascom Hall and ran up the Danish Flag. They put it up in such a way that it wouldn't imediately come down. Other than the fact that Madison is in Dane County no one could figure out what it was about. Nice prank though.</p>

<p>I liked Lady Liberty too.</p>

<p><a href="http://photos.news.wisc.edu/view.php?id=93%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://photos.news.wisc.edu/view.php?id=93&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/museum/artifacts/archives/001660.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/museum/artifacts/archives/001660.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.stubaker.com/madison/pailandshovel/involveacow.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.stubaker.com/madison/pailandshovel/involveacow.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Barrons:</p>

<p>I just bought 40 magnets with the pink flamingos on them to give away as gifts. I'd love to get the poster of the pink flamingos but it's long out of print.</p>

<p>There were two lady liberties. As I recall the first one was burnt possibly by the Pail and Shovel Party's enemies on the Daily Cardinal. They build another one the next winter. It was part of their campaign pledge to bring the Statute of Liberty to Madison. What a hoot.</p>

<p>I was there that day in the morning and it was quite a sight. Being the honest type I did not think to take one--and I wanted everyone else to see it too.</p>