Can you help to choose? My son wants to be in nyc but I’m concerned about Tandon now that I’ve seen it.
What is the concern at NYU?
Net price at each?
Depending on the major, be careful of the college GPA requirements in the progression requirements to stay in the major at Wisconsin.
I’ve read some unimpressive things about Tandon here.
What in particular? What are your criteria for choosing a college?
If you do not give more information on your criteria and the finances, it will be difficult for others to help you.
Finances are not a big issue. More concerned with college life/overall academics. Tandon is separate from nyu and that seems problematic for many students.
I’d like any feedback on these two school. Tandon should vs tufts for engineering
Tandon is a completely separate campus in Brooklyn, a few miles away from the main Manhattan campus. Academically it is good, like all accredited engineering schools, but the student experience doesn’t compare to Tufts or Wisc. You are literally separate from the rest of NYU, on a “campus” of a few buildings in Brooklyn. In comparison, at Tufts or Wisconsin (two completely different experiences) you are part of the student body just like everyone else.
Tandon was a standalone polytechnic university before it merged with NYU in 2014. I would tend to use that mental model to evaluate it. Tandon is about twice the size of Tufts School of Engineering. Tufts Engineering used to be embedded in the School of Liberal Arts (which is about four times its size). Fairly recently, it became a separate, but tightly coupled school. Tufts is going to feel like an “engineering LAC” which is very different than the feel of a polytechnic school or the engineering school of a large public university. UW engineering is 6-7 times the size of Tufts engineering. The engineering school at Tufts is quite selective (about 10% of applicants are admitted) partly due to its smaller size. Verbal SAT scores are going to be more balanced with Math SAT scores at Tufts. There will be more female faculty and students in engineering and the campus gender ratio will be 50/50 because of the larger liberal arts school. Tufts will tend to have smaller classes and easier access to research due to the low student teacher ratio, but it will tend to have fewer types of class offerings and fewer types of research due to the smaller array of faculty. Tufts will tend to have more of an emphasis on teaching and inclusion due to its liberal arts roots and the fact that STEM education is a primary area of research (which is unusual). Tufts pioneered the female friendly engineering curriculum/culture in the 80’s and 90’s and has a net zero attrition rate (the average for engineering schools is over 50%).
A student can get a good education at all of these schools, but depending on the student’s personality and learning style one or the other may make it more likely that the student will thrive.
My bias is toward a smaller, more “liberal artsy” school for undergrad and a larger more specialized program for graduate work. I have found that the liberal arts exposure pays dividends for people oriented engineering jobs or crossing over to the management track later in life. For some personality types though, full immersion in a technical domain/culture is a better fit.
You have not told us much about your son, but assuming that he can be satisfied with Somerville/Cambridge/Boston and that Tufts supports the particular engineering sub-discipline/specialty in which he is interested, I would lean that way. New York is a 4 hour bus ride away, and the more adventurous Tufts students (such as my daughter, who now lives in New York) do make the trip. The bus ticket is not that expensive, but lodging is. Some will go without sleep until the bus ride back. It would be great to be young and crazy again.
Best of luck.
Note that one of its names in its prior existence as a separate school was Polytechnic University. It had previously acquired NYU’s engineering division a few decades ago.
Tandon is Polytechnic University of NY branded as NYU. NYU acquired the school only a few years ago, and the program is probably not as robust as UW. Why the pressing need to be in NYC? As an engineering student, he’ll be studying most of the time anyway.
Wow. You have given us some excellent feedback. Thank you. I think it’s now more down to UW Madison vs Tufts. Any thoughts on those are welcome, though I recognize they differ greatly. He like mechanical engineering, he thinks. Madison has a new, impressive Makers Lab. I’m not as sure about Tufts.
Thanks again.
https://www.engr.wisc.edu/academics/student-services/academic-advising/first-year-undergraduate-students/progression-requirements/ indicates that Wisconsin weeds out mechanical engineering majors who do not earn a 3.2 technical and 3.0 overall GPA in the first year courses.
Tufts does not believe in “weeding people out”. It believes in “keeping people in”. It has a negative attrition rate based on innovations derived from research in K-12 STEM education (Tufts created the Lego Mindstorms .and runs a worldwide K-12 STEM Education program.)
http://now.tufts.edu/articles/engineering-toyland
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Tufts has two new interdisciplinary Science/Engineering complexes, each with a new maker space and one with a New Venture Lab.
http://now.tufts.edu/news-releases/tufts-university-begins-new-era-innovation-discovery-opening-science-and-engineering
http://now.tufts.edu/articles/space-next-generation-thinking
Here is the network of maker spaces at Tufts (the newest is not shown)
https://maker.tufts.edu/spaces
And Tufts has a descendant of Newton’s apple tree
I guess the apple can fall far from the tree.
@Mastadon thanks for the info and the links regarding Tufts engineering. My son is considering the program at Tufts. Those were helpful. We’ve visited many of the Boston area schools that offer engineering and think Tufts offers a unique experience. My son liked how they try to work with kids to keep them in the program vs weeding them out too. He also liked how the engineers often work on projects with kids from other fields there, and that is easy to work with professors and get involved.
Here are the number of graduates by engineering major and type of degree.
Note that UW’s Phd program is as big as Tufts undergrad program!
But, Tufts offers Environmental Engineering and Engineering Managment…
and its Engineering Physics program is twice the size of UW!
UW Engineering…B…M…Phd
Agricultural Engineering… 41…6…8
Bioengineering and Biomedical Engineering…90…27…12
Chemical Engineering…111…1…17
Civil Engineering, General…90…23…17
Computer Engineering, General…41…-…-
Electrical and Electronics Engineering…100…64…37
Engineering Mechanics… 54…7…1
Engineering Physics/Applied Physics…1…-…-
Engineering, General…-…43…-
Engineering, Other…1…-…-
Geological/Geophysical Engineering…19…7…1
Industrial Engineering…88…29…12
Materials Engineering…33…9…13
Mechanical Engineering…225…44…29
Nuclear Engineering…28…20…10
Systems Engineering…-…19…-
Category total…922…299…157
Tufts Engineering…B…M…Phd
Bioengineering and Biomedical Engineering…14…20…3
Chemical Engineering…31…7…4
Civil Engineering, General…13…22…7
Computer Engineering, General…10…-…-
Electrical and Electronics Engineering…19…14…2
Engineering Physics/Applied Physics…2…-…-
Engineering Science…7…-…-
Engineering, General…4…-…-
Environmental/Environmental Health Engineering…12…-…-
Industrial Engineering…-…0…-
Mechanical Engineering…48…20…5
Category total…160…83…21
Engineering/Industrial Management…-…52…-
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=tufts&s=all&id=168148#programs
Are the numbers above significant? Other than to show that Madison is larger…?
Oops! forgot Computer Science.
UW Computer Science
Computer and Information Sciences, General…245…140…26
Tufts Computer Science
Computer Science…136…26…5
Cognitive Science…35…-…2
Human Computer Interaction…27…5…-