<p>^ Show me the data for the top graduate programs in Arts & Sciences. Show me the data for the top medical schools. The data you show here is not confirming of your point. </p>
<p>It may be comforting to believe that all undergraduate programs are created equal in the minds of admissions committees of top graduate programs. It just isn’t so.</p>
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Comforting? I believe that as a Tufts Engineer, I’m getting the short end of the stick.</p>
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Why would I waste my time doing that? Why don’t you show me your data? I’ve certainly proved that attending a highly ranked undergrad school give little boost to law school applicants. Look at MD and MBA data and it’ll show the same.</p>
<p>BalletGirl, so far the closest thing to evidence that you’ve presented is that “…My Dad taught there when I was young.” Proof of your own bias is not a compelling argument.</p>
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<p>Look at any of the historical data (below) on the graduates per capita who go on and receive the Ph.D. in the humanities, social sciences and sciences. This is a very good proxy for academic excellence. Carleton bests Tufts by a signicant margin. In fact, Tufts doesn’t even surface in these data sets. </p>
<p>[nsf.gov</a> - SRS Baccalaureate Origins of S&E Doctorate Recipients - US National Science Foundation (NSF)](<a href=“http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08311/?govDel=USNSF_178]nsf.gov”>http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf08311/?govDel=USNSF_178)</p>
<p>[REED</a> COLLEGE PHD HISTORICAL RANK](<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/phdrank.html]REED”>Historical Doctoral Degree Productivity - Institutional Research - Reed College)</p>
<p>[REED</a> COLLEGE PHD PRODUCTIVITY](<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/phd.html]REED”>Doctoral Degree Productivity - Institutional Research - Reed College)</p>
<p>As I’ve said, Tufts is very good academically, Carleton is better.</p>
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<p>You have demonstrated nothing.</p>
<p>Haha you are sad; You shun legitimate data with clearly documented GPA, standardized test scores, and school acceptances in favor of data that shows which undergrad institution produced the most PhDs.</p>
<p>Since when did getting a doctorate, any doctorate from any institution, become competitive grad school admissions? It’s commonly accepted that MD(all) and JD(top 14 at least) admissions are the most selective in the US. I’m sorry but someone, like yourself perhaps, getting a doctorate in history just does not compare.</p>
<p>Or does it hurt too much knowing an arts degree from a small liberal arts college(Dartmouth and Tufts included) doesn’t actually confer an advantage over everyone else in the real world?</p>
<p>As a Tufts grad, you’re making my point through your ludicrous arguments!! You present no data. Tufts should rescind your degree or, perhaps, you should sue them for educational malpractice.</p>
<p>Wow funny… not</p>
<p>I’m also not a Tufts grad and nor have I ever said anything that would make anyone believe so in my previous posts. Shows how well they teach you to gather data at Dartmouth huh?</p>
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<p>First, I don’t understand how this became a discussion about how grad schools look at the three schools in question. The OP wasn’t focusing on which gave him/her the best shot at a given type of grad school, or grad school in general.
Second, data about PhDs does not equal data about grad schools, as it leaves out law, med, dental, vet and engineering schools, among others.
Third, while I completely agree that Carleton is first rate, if we want to question the value of the degree later on, while grad school adcoms are certainly knowledgeable about higher education, I think more employers will have heard of Tufts, and may know how hard Tufts is to get into, which makes a pretty positive impression.
Finally, I think that BalletGirl’s comments have become a bit edgy, which makes me wonder why she seems to have an axe to grind with Tufts (a question I asked previously in another thread).</p>
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Good point. Someone graduating from an LAC school would have a higher chance of getting a PhD in humanities and social sciences by nature. Explains why HYPS are not even in the top 10 for many of these rankings.</p>
<p>WCASParent, I like Tufts a lot. I just find that the Tufts site on CC is just so full of cant and I like debunking it. I simply made the point for the OP that Carleton is a better school academically than Tufts, which I think is true. When challenged, I supported it with data that serves as a good proxy for academic excellence. You can accept it or not. </p>
<p>I hope that your point is true - “that more employers will have heard of Tufts, and may know how hard Tufts is to get into…” You’re about to plunk down over $200k over the next four years and you should expect a measurable return.</p>
<p>My best friend goes to Carleton. I go to Tufts.When we were accepted to our respective colleges, everyone was amazed to learn that I was going to such a prestigious school. No one had heard of Carleton.</p>
<p>I have visited him at Carleton. He has visited me at Tufts. He has been to my classes, met my friends, ate in the Dining halls, and went to performances and lectures with me. </p>
<p>He has told me straight out that Tufts is a better school. Yes, Tufts has a bigger name. Yes, Tufts is more selective. Our student body is more impressive and WAY more diverse. We also have a better location. Boston is better than cornfields in Minnesota. </p>
<p>Tufts competes with some of the best colleges in the nation for students. I have friends here who were accepted to Cornell, Columbia, Princeton, Georgetown, Northwestern, Emory, Carnegie Mellon, Duke, Amherst, Dartmouth, Brown, UPenn, and yes, even Harvard (I’ve met 4 in my class alone). I doubt that Carleton can say the same.</p>
<p>Make no mistake, Carleton is an excellent school. If the OP feels that is where she belongs, then that is where she should go. But there is no proof that Carleton is academically better than Tufts. I can tell you from personal experience that the academics here are amazing. I am a freshman and I have already been invited to do research with my anthropology professor. All of my professors know me by name. I have had coffee with 4 out of 5 of my professors this year. I was selected to be a Tisch Scholar, and as such I have befriended some of the most amazingly talented people I have ever met and I have access to incredible resources and funding. I could go and on about how amazing Tufts is. Tufts means everything to me. My friends and I love it here so much that we’ve decided to spend our summer on campus taking classes. Tufts has done amazings things for me, and I’ve grown so much as a person thanks to the resources and amazing education that Tufts is giving me. Forgive me if I am overly defensive, but it personally offends me when someone knocks Tufts. Tufts is my home.</p>
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I’m not accepting that. I can see how that may be one measure of what makes for a good school, but it’s by no means the whole story. Your insistence on the importance of PhD output is confusing to me.</p>
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<p>I second EffectiveMind’s point. That was exactly what I was trying to say before. Tufts has a better reputation. Carleton is a fanastic school! My sister goes there and she is extremely happy, she is getting amazing internships and a great academic experience. One of her friends just got an amazing job in New Jersey 3 months before even graduating. I dont think anyone here is trying to say that you will be making a mistake by going to Carleton, any of these 3 schools are great academically. </p>
<p>I think it finally comes down to you, where you think it is best. It is clear that every opinion you get here will be slightly biased in some way, mine biased towards Tufts. So it really is your decision. What is your impression of the 3 schools? In where do you think you will excel the most in? And no one else, except you, can answer these questions. </p>
<p>All the best and I am sure you will pick the school which is best for you :)</p>