<p>Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, Lehigh, and Rutgers (from Jersey so I have to pay full tuition at uMich…)</p>
<p>That’s two people so far that turned down JHU for Michigan. They wouldn’t believe it on the JHU boards!</p>
<p>Northwestern, Wayne State
(son)</p>
<p>rjkofnovi…and every person from michigan at JHU turned down umich despite instate tuition…so what’s your point? </p>
<p>Additionally, some of the posts on this thread are false. Such as the girl who claimed she turned down Stanford to go to UMich. She was actually waitlisted…but eh,whatever. I have similar reservations about the guy who was accepted to Harvard</p>
<p>My sister is going to UMich this year as a Ross Pre-admit (the cream of the crop of UMich applicants), and while she is turning down two Ivies to do so, a full 2/3 of Ross pre-admits still turn it down. Among the LSA applicant pool, there definitely appears to be a lot of Ivy rejects. While UMich is a great school, and does win some cross admits against the top privates, it’s not a prevalent situation.</p>
<p>Blah, rjkofnovi was being facetious. There were several Michigan vs JHU threads recently where JHU faithful were claiming that it was a superior university to Michigan. Though JHU is obviously on par with Michigan, it is not superior. </p>
<p>As for your comment that turning down top private universities is not prevalent at Michigan, I am not sure I agree. It depends on what you mean when you say “top private universities”. Oviously, Michigan will lose the cross-admit battle vs HYPMS. then again, even private universities such as Chicago and Duke lose over 80% of their cross admits against those 5 universities. But once you go beyond those five, I would say that Michigan holds its own nicely against private peers such as Cornell, JHU, Northwestern and Penn (non-Wharton) and wins handily against weaker privates which shall remain nameless to avoid a lengthy debate.</p>
<p>^^ Yeah, I did get waitlisted at Stanford so I guess I wasn’t that accurate before (however, I knew I had a good chance- more than many- of getting off of it).</p>
<p>However, I did end up getting into several programs/recieved scholarships that were in the single digits at very prestigious schools (no, you won’t find those or my stats really by browsing my CC history), and I still chose Michigan (although the IS, close to home definitely played a strong part I must admit, and I was a bit iffy about my decision).</p>
<p>I’m not the only one who has ditched HYPMS like schools though, etc for schools like Michigan, Vanderbilt, UCLA, Reed, etc. One of my immediate family members for instance, turned down Harvard residency for a much lesser known residency just because he had liked one of the professors there (read his book). Another relative turned out a very good ivy league graduate program for Michigan (and no, he wasn’t instate, nor was there really a cost difference). I have a number of friends (not to many, but still a sizeable portion) who knew where they wanted to go, so didn’t apply to the ivys or applied, were accepted, but didn’t really care (they just wanted to say they got in) and chose schools far less prestigious than Michigan too.</p>
<p>A lot of people, especially on CC, play the college rankings game excessively- no matter if you go to a community college or Harvard, you are still getting a quality American education. Going to an ivy league could help you get an amazing job, certainly, but unless you have/learn the skills, you’re not going to achieve much. People who will read these threads in the future need to realize that^</p>
<p>A lot of Michigan in-state need to choose between U-M and some ivy or ivy level schools such as JHU. U-M cost is low for many middle-class families, and close to home</p>
<p>Ironically, many IS students who choose OOS private universities are in fact lower-income/middle imcome who get better deals from them. Many IS students from upper middle and upp income households actually decide to choose Michigan over OOS private elites because the cost is significantly lower and they grew up fans of the University of Michigan.</p>
<p>'Among the LSA applicant pool, there definitely appears to be a lot of Ivy rejects. While UMich is a great school, and does win some cross admits against the top privates, it’s not a prevalent situation."</p>
<p>I wouldn’t hesistate to say that there are even more Ivy rejects attending JHU percentage wise than there are at Michigan. After all, look at it’s location.</p>
<p>right…keep it up. whatever makes you go to sleep at night. </p>
<p>Remember this?:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1102924-umichs-mpulse-v-cap21.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1102924-umichs-mpulse-v-cap21.html</a></p>
<p>rjkofnovi: "Michigan is just as good academically as Northwestern. 
"</p>
<p>Another poster in same thread: Well, I won’t qualify the term, “good,” but will say that Northwestern is much more selective academically for admissions than UMich. Both are fine schools academically speaking. </p>
<p>Another poster in same thread: </p>
<p>@rjkofnovi - UMich is an absolutely FANTASTIC school, but in D’s opinion it is not comparable academically with Northwestern.</p>
<p>From an academic standpoint, UMich accepts ~51% of applicants, while this year Northwestern will accept ~19%.</p>
<p>Average ACT scores at UMich are 27-31, while at Northwestern they’re 31-34 on average (probably higher this year due to large increase in applicants).</p>
<p>Northwestern is also much smaller than UMich, so they offer very small academic class sizes and many more research opportunities per capita.</p>
<p>Keep spouting your BS when no one else believes it. JHU has the same admissions stats as Cornell. Regardless, JHU must be full of ivy rejects because of “it’s” location. Right? Right?</p>
<p>^^^Too bad your sister couldn’t get into JHU. You must be so ashamed she settled for Michigan. :-)</p>
<p>“Keep spouting your BS when no one else believes it. JHU has the same admissions stats as Cornell. Regardless, JHU must be full of ivy rejects because of “it’s” location. Right? Right?” </p>
<p>Please excuse the “it’s” typo. Look, I’m not comparing Michigan to your alma mater Stanford as an overall institution academically. That would be foolhardy. For you to interject NU into this conversation just seems to me a bit odd. However, since you did:</p>
<p>PA scores at USNWR for:</p>
<p>Cornell 4.5
JHU 4.5
Michigan 4.4
Northwestern 4.3</p>
<p>They are all academic peers. That was what my discussion was all about.</p>
<p>Blah2009- lol not after this year. By the time she graduates, Michigan’s acceptance rate will be in the 20’s and ACT range will be comparable to Northwestern’s. The ACT range will probably increase by a couple this year with the accept rate plummeting to the high 30’s. Michigan got way more apps this year and accepted less. Even though those numbers are essentially meaningless in showing actual quality of the school, Michigan’s will start to look much better very soon. Good luck for her at NU but it’s definitely not superior to Michigan. A peer in every sense of the word.</p>
<p>Blah2009
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<p>Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Stanford Grad
Posts: 627 </p>
<p>“My sister is going to UMich this year as a Ross Pre-admit (the cream of the crop of UMich applicants), and while she is turning down two Ivies to do so, a full 2/3 of Ross pre-admits still turn it down. Among the LSA applicant pool, there definitely appears to be a lot of Ivy rejects. While UMich is a great school, and does win some cross admits against the top privates, it’s not a prevalent situation.”</p>
<p>Blah2009
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<p>Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Stanford Grad
Posts: 627 Turning down XYZ for JHU </p>
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<p>“I see similar threads on other boards, so which schools did you guys turn down for JHU? I know my sister would have turned down some ivies for JHU, but she was waitlisted. I was pretty ****ed about that.”</p>
<p>eziamm:</p>
<p>The sister of Blah2009 is going to Michigan eziamm. I certainly hope she doesn’t see his posts. :-)</p>
<p>:D no offense Blah, but you are a terrible sibling 
You seem really big on acceptance rates. Explain to me how lower acceptance rates translate into a better institution? I guess I never much cared about the ACT score of the guy sitting next to me – he isn’t teaching the class, is he? I suppose if class size is a big thing for you then a few courses here won’t be for you (though let’s be honest, where in the country are you going to find a “small” intro psych course?). But if you can’t do well in a large course because you need more “personal attention” and “hand holding,” then I would LOVE to watch you sink in your first job. </p>
<p>Tell your sis to look forward to football saturdays – she’ll be singing Hail to the Victors with some of the most accomplished “Ivy rejects” this country has to offer ;)</p>
<p>Michigan State and Minnesota. Waitlisted at Purdue… haha</p>
<p>Boston College, Case Western, UChicago, and Vanderbilt.</p>
<p>Venturing into the cold north to go to Michigan was the best decision of my life! Now that I’ve graduated, I can soundly say that if I did it all over again and got into any school in the world, choosing Michigan would still be the right choice!</p>
<p>I’m currently working in DC and forced to be away from Ann Arbor for a few years (my fiance is in the Navy and based in CT, so I am looking at jobs/masters programs in the New York area), but I plan to return and get a PhD in Sociology there (if they’ll take me!).</p>
<p>P.S. Hello again Alexandere, rikofnovi, and other posters from years before! I took a little hiatus from this forum while I was busy at school!</p>
<p>“…and every person from michigan at JHU turned down umich despite instate tuition…so what’s your point?”</p>
<p>Blah, a couple of corrections. First of all, many Michigan residents are flat out rejected by Michigan but admitted into JHU. Last time I checked, every selectivity rating I have seen had Michigan and JHU in the same range (among the 25 most selective universities in the nation but not among the 15 most selective). As such, I am not sure how you concluded that every single Michigan resident enrolled at JHU was accepted by Michigan.</p>
<p>“My sister is going to UMich this year as a Ross Pre-admit (the cream of the crop of UMich applicants)…”</p>
<p>Well done sis! That is indeed impressive and Ross is one of the top 3 undergraduate business programs in the nation. However, as a group, it is LSA Honors students that are the cream of Michigan’s crop. With an average high school graduating GPA of 3.9 (unweighed) and an average SAT/ACT of 1470/34, Honors students have the best statistical credentials. Ross is second with an average high school graduating GPA of 3.8 (unweighed) and an average SAT/ACT of 1430/32. The CoE is a close third with, with an average high school graduating GPA of 3.8 (unweighed) and average SAT/ACT of 1390/30.</p>
<p>30% of Michigan’s undergraduate student population belongs to one of the three programs above. Those students are extremely talented and the majority of them chose Michigan over private peers such as Chicago, Cornell, Northwestern and Penn etc…</p>
<p>Another 50% of Michigan’s undergraduate student population is enrolled in the college of LSA. Of those, a third are also excellent are had many options. Two thirds of them are not quite as academically qualified, but still reasonable good. </p>
<p>To sum up: </p>
<p>-The CoE and Ross have uniformly very strong student populations.
-Roughly 40% of LSA students are also very strong
-Roughly 60% of LSA students are above average-strong
-Architecture, Art, Kinesiology, Music and Nursing students are excellent at their chosen fields, but are held to very differents admissions criteria.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that Michigan:
- Deemphasizes standardized tests
- Does not super-score the SAT</p>
<p>As such, comparing Michigan’s SAT range/average to universities that weigh standardized tests heavily and/or superscore the SAT is pointless.</p>
<p>while I respect your opinion, Alexandre, do you really honestly believe UMich is as selective as JHU? I mean JHU’s admitted student’s profile is a standard deviation above Michigan’s admitted students in terms of acceptance rate, and test scores. The typical BME enrollee has higher credentials than ross or LSA honors students with an average enrolled SAT of 1530 on the math and verbal (based on a prospective student presentation my sister attended. Additionally, 25% of enrolled JHU students scored above a 1510. This is in line with other privates, again). Additionally, to get into these “types” of private schools, you need to have outstanding extracurricular activities. So it’s not like JHU or other similarly ranked privates accept students with poor extracurricular activities. I understand that you can’t simply measure a student body in terms of acceptance rate or test scores alone. So are you arguing Michigan admits students with better extracurricular activities than JHU admits with scores that are a lot higher? I have a hard time believing any michigan resident who had the scores AND extracurricular activities to get into JHU (with an acceptance rate of 20% at JHU vs something higher than 51% at Michigan (it includes the lowered out-of-state acceptance rate after all) would get rejected at Michigan. </p>
<p>We don’t have data on the cross admits between JHU and UMich so all we have is this objective data from the last admissions cycle. I will retract my statement that all the Michigan residents from at JHU into UMich, but I still believe the majority had Umich has an option. My basis is this objective data:</p>
<p>JHU admitted students profile:</p>
<p>Acceptance rate: 20%</p>
<p>ACT of admitted students: 31 to 34</p>
<p>As for selectivity rating, JHU garners a 98 from princetonreview ([Test</a> Prep: GMAT, GRE, LSAT, MCAT, SAT, ACT, and More](<a href=“http://www.review.com%5DTest”>http://www.review.com)), on par with Cornell, Northwestern, and UChicago but below stanford, harvard, yale (I see this as an objective reliable source).</p>
<p>[Johns</a> Hopkins University Office of Undergraduate Admissions - Fast Facts - Hopkins by the Numbers](<a href=“http://apply.jhu.edu/facts/facts.html]Johns”>http://apply.jhu.edu/facts/facts.html)</p>
<p>UMich admitted students profile:</p>
<p>Acceptance rate: 51% (this combines the easier in-state admits with the harder out-of-state admits).</p>
<p>UMich garners a selectivity rating of 96 from princetonreview ([Test</a> Prep: GMAT, GRE, LSAT, MCAT, SAT, ACT, and More](<a href=“http://www.review.com%5DTest”>http://www.review.com))</p>
<p>ACT of admitted students: 28 to 32</p>
<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Admissions: About Michigan](<a href=“http://www.admissions.umich.edu/about/]Office”>Explore & Visit | University of Michigan Office of Undergraduate Admissions)</p>
<p>I don’t think US News has a selectivity rank.</p>
<p>There’s a distinct difference.</p>
<p>If you honestly do believe UMich to be as selective as JHU, which other private schools do you believe to be as selective as UMich?</p>
<p>As an aside, I’m the one that was on UMich’s side when she was evaluating Cornell and Chicago among others (she doesn’t mind the cold weather). So I support the undergraduate education provided by Michigan for business and most other undergraduate fields.</p>
<p>“I have similar reservations about the guy who was accepted to Harvard”</p>
<p>Yeah, well! I did get into Harvard. Getting admissions isn’t really a problem. I would have gotten into any school I suppose. </p>
<p>The issue is funding. I’m a Fulbright foreign student grantee and Fulbright is not willing to pay more than about $40k/year for tuitions and room and board. That ruled out Harvard because they did not offer any cost sharing. </p>
<p>Michigan, on the other hand, agreed to waive a large chunk of the tuitions so that’s where I’m headed. Actually very excited about doing my MPP at UMich! Love the quantitatively focused curriculum as it perfectly suits my future career goal and will prepare me well for a PhD program if I choose to pursue one.</p>