"Twenty colleges are too many to apply to"

<p>This article touches on a hot CC topic - and even makes mention of CC - even if it did get it all wrong. I think most of us keep coming to CC precisely because it is such a great cyber-place to get thoughtful advice and help about everything college related from careful planning, college choice, fit, application information, scams and pitfalls in the college admissions process etc. I think that most of the folks who post on CC even agree that 20 is too many:</p>

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...despite the costs, many applicants apply to more and more colleges, sometimes 20 or even more.
Such students often make random choices, making the entire process more difficult for everyone involved. High school counselors who help students coordinate their applications are overwhelmed. Teachers that write recommendations must send out so many duplicates, and admissions departments at colleges at are inundated with paperwork.
The Internet and the use of the Common Application...and other such programs are part of the problem. These helpful sites have made applying to college seem as though a completed application is just one click away.</p>

<p>Glossy Web sites advertising colleges and sites that profess inside information about schools add to the frenzy. One overzealous parent became addicted to the Web site called College Confidential, which advertises itself as having the busiest discussion community about colleges on the Web.</p>

<p>Whenever this parent read so-called inside information about a school, she added that school to her child's Common Application.</p>

<p>Twenty-five years ago, high school seniors applied to four or five carefully selected schools at the most. Each application took hours to complete on a manual typewriter. One mistake meant throwing out the application and starting from scratch, unless one were adept at using whiteout or the little typewriter erasable strips that were essential supplies.</p>

<p>Well, those days are now long gone...</p>

<p>Applicants should be aware of snap or fast-track applications. Some schools send applications that have not been requested to promising students, a designation based on SAT scores. They waive application fees, the essay and even teacher recommendations, promising students they will be accepted within a month.
These applications make it too easy to apply to colleges, which the applicant has not researched. A better use of time than the snap application would be to graph a careful selection of college with decisions based on information about departments, class size, student retention and cost.
Careful planning would decrease rejections. Colleges are rejecting many students because the applicant pool has gone up so drastically. Applying to 20 schools actually cuts back chances of being accepted to the one school where an applicant may really fit.

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<p>I don't think any GC's in our hs would allow this random process.</p>

<p>"One overzealous parent became addicted to the Web site called College Confidential, "</p>

<p>O.K., which <em>one</em> of you....? Fess up.;)</p>

<p>(Like there's "one")</p>

<p>Wasn't me. (My kid applied to 4 schools).</p>

<p>Reality check: Each student can only attend ONE college (at a time. . .)</p>

<p>I think part of the problem is that applications are due so early in the year.
Students applying in the fall wonder if they will change their minds by the next spring--6 months seems like a long time at that age--so they want to cover all the bases. Or, with ultra competitive schools they view submitting an application as buying another lottery ticket (another chance to "win"?)</p>

<p>A lot of high schools put a limit on how many copies of everthing the GC will send out. IMO 6-8 ought to be enough for anyone.</p>

<p>The reference to the "one" was to parental addiction, not to multiple-appliers.</p>

<p>"Whenever this parent read so-called inside information about a school, she added that school to her child's common application."</p>

<p>I thought this meant that the addicted parent "encouraged" the child to apply to many schools. Am I wrong? Isn't that what this thread is about?</p>

<p>Chill.:) I was deliberately taking a comment out of context to make a joke. Obviously it fell flat. (I get what the thread's about.)</p>

<p>thought that CC addiction was kind of pandemic.<br>
just including self.</p>

<p>The author heads a college admissions counseling service. Basically, the article was a free advertisement.</p>

<p>I found her tone quite dismissive, implying that if a parent was exploring a school recommended to her by another parent, she was incapable of sorting erroneous information from accurate data. Only a hired college counselor could be trusted to do the job......</p>

<p>I'm sure i wasn't the only person contacted to participate in a study, but I never responded. Yes, I'm addicted. A few old-timers may recall that S applied as junior, deciding this mid-Dec., and only applied to a few colleges. No idea how many responded to the interviewer about # schools their child applied to.</p>

<p>I am fascinated by threads like the CO awards/gifts thread. I've enjoyed the sheets and BB & B threads. I like hearing about colleges that I've never visited. My job involves adolescents and I am always learing on CC.</p>

<p>epiphany, I got a chuckle from your joke. I'm addicted & my oldest is only 15.</p>

<p>Didn't read the whole linked article. But this reminds me of some earlier conversations we've had about computerized "matching." (Big opportunity for a software developer?) The "graphing" reference reminded me of that. Naviance is a good search engine for some things, but is limited in scope. </p>

<p>Thanks for posting, *.</p>

<p>Lol. I meant that I'm ONE of the addicts, but not "the one" in the article. (As in it couldn't be me because my kid didn't apply to so many schools).</p>

<p>Guess my joke fell flat too. :)</p>

<p>StickerShock, It is not clear that it was a "free" advertisement. </p>

<p>Serious question. This part at the end:

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<p>Did that mean the entire "article" was an advertisement, or did that mean an advertisement appeared in that place in the print edition?</p>

<p>Never mind, my computer finally started showing some kind of video under the "advertisement" heading that wasn't there before. Now I can see where the advertisement is.</p>

<p>NJ: What I meant was that the little local paper that carried the article probably will take any submissions. Our local paper does this type of article, as well. They don't have large staffs, so if a local "expert" wants to contribute an article, it is usually warmly received. Often these articles are nothing more than ads for the author's services wrapped up in a puff piece on a problem or issue around which the author just happens to have built a business.</p>

<p>A somewhat related question. We do plan to apply to a lot of colleges, for a variety of reasons, the principal one being that we are applying to BFA acting programs, which are real tough to get into, plus your typical array of LACs as safety colleges. MY QUESTION is this. How do those of you approach teachers who will serve as references when you have to tell them, 'and by the way, can you fill out these 10 forms'? Ours is a poor Catholic HS in which the teachers are overloaded and underpaid. Also, my S is not well loved; not a catholic teacher's pet. So it's not like we can divide the reference-load among many.</p>

<p>My son asked his 2 AP teachers from junior year. I addressed and stamped 10 envelopes for each school. GC had son fill out an info form for each teacher to help them. Our Direction Center (Guidance) suggested giving just one CA teacher rec. form to each teacher. They could then fill out one and photocopy for the others. I saw 1 letter of rec. and the teacher had typed a wonderful 1 page letter and photocopied. I don't think it has to be a lot of extra work for CA schools. I did give each teacher some local chocolates as a little "thank you". Not necessary, but I enjoyed doing it.</p>

<p>Epiphany, I got your joke, LOL.
S1 applied to one school ED and went there (of course!!!). S2 applied to 4 schools "officially". He probably sent in applications online to 3 more schools that keep on sending him emails asking him to send in the free applications.</p>

<p>My S is getting an 'A' in a college course (dual credit) taught by the HS teacher, but she still dislikes my kid. When I ask my son if there is a teacher out there who likes him, he draws a blank. He is a B plus A minus student, used to get up at 5:30 AM to get to school to lift at 6AM for football, then stay after school till 8PM for Play practice. But, hey, it's a Catholic HS and my S is not readliy herded, nor does he sit and keep his mouth closed. Hopefully we can find someone who likes him.</p>

<p>e- I appreciated the joke and didn't think it fell flat at all - a good sense of humor is hard to come by and goes a long way in my book. </p>

<p>Stickershock - I obviously didn't go for the tone of the piece either but it is making the rounds. A friend of mine, who knows I am interested in things college related, e-mailed it to me. This particular article is, I agree, quite self-serving but it is not an advertisement or puff piece. Apart from the college consulting biz, Dr. Mae Sakharov authors a regular "Parenting Pearls" column in the Lambertville-New Hope Beacon, a publication in the Princeton Packet Group. Apart from that, apparently, she is a fairly well-known authority on education active N.J. and PA. From 1982 to 1988 she was a consultant to producers on the ABC news program "20/20" for segments on children or teen issues. She also works as a learning specialist at the Chapin School in Princeton, NJ and is affiliated with the International Dyslexia Association, The Learning Disabilities Association of America and Bucks County Community College.</p>

<p>It's o.k. asteriskea - I think that there is a little bit of a "kill the messenger" response to the article, which is a little offputting in tone, but probably does hit close to home for some parents -- especially those who may be stressing out right now with 16 or so college apps outstanding, and no word yet on any of them. February may well be the worst month of all in the college app year, because the deadlines have passed, the apps are in, and there is nothing to do but wait. My daughter applied to 12 colleges last year, and as of February had been deferred by one EA school and waitlisted by the college that so cheerily beckoned her to use their special, free online app with the quick answer..... so things didn't look real promising at that time. </p>

<p>I'd not for those who have more than a handful of colleges: there is only 1 college that I wish my daughter hadn't applied to. It was a safety -- an out of state public that is an excellent school, but I should have researched financial aid policies before she applied, as the school was unaffordable. </p>

<p>Other than that -- she had a good list, and she was able to get fee waivers for more than half of the colleges she applied to. With financial aid a priority, I think she needed to cast a fairly wide net. But I do think too many random apps is a bad idea -- my daughter did her apps for the common app schools on paper, with online apps only for the schools that provided their own -- and there was a lot of thought and effort put into the apps to the reach schools.</p>