Two Years of Suspension..Potential of Expulsion

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<p>@blossom I never said I am lying to my lawyer. My lawyer knows everything.

  1. (IN PROCESS)
  2. (DONE)
  3. (IN PROCESS)
  4. (IN PROCESS) if #1 fails
  5. (APPLYING ONLINE)
  6. (DAD’s HANDLING)
  7. (That is just going to create more drama because I have lost my parent’s trust. Not all families work the same but thank you for your input)</p>

<p>This is what I previously posted. Your input will be greatly appreciated.
blossom: So do you think it is a good idea to go in myself to ask for a meeting for the third case? While I am going to confess, I think I am going to bring my parents for moral support. Do you think it is a good idea? Also if you are saying to apply for jobs right now, wouldn’t they ask me why I am leaving college to do a job, especially in workplaces where I have already created a good rapport? How do I deal with my cultural community when this gets leaked out of campus?</p>

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<p>Updated List of Plans:</p>

<p>A) Go to university officials
immediately, own up to third case

  1. Accept expulsion
    i) Get a minimum wage job and
    work up for 5 to 10 years to get
    a job that can pay for rent,
    food, etc.
    ii) Go to therapy (IN PROCESS)
    1. Why did it serve me well to sabotage myself?
    2. Print out these posts or show it to my psychologist and psychiatrist</p>

<p>B) Go to university officials,
own up to third case, demonstrate
a plan of action, request
reconsideration even though I
don’t deserve it.

  1. If reconsidered, then accept
    re- admittance
  2. If rejected, please go back to
    A1 or C1.</p>

<p>C) Go to university officials
immediately, own up to third case

  1. Accept expulsion
    i) Get a minimum wage job and
    work for a while
    ii) Apply to state university and
    study credits lost and remaining
    credits.
    iii) Reapply for jobs that were
    originally being offered if I
    weren’t expelled.
    iv) Go to therapy (IN PROCESS)
    1. Go to A)1)ii)1.&2.</p>

<p>D) Wait to go to university
officials until they call me in, don’t own up.
1)???</p>

<p>E) Go to university officials immediately, don’t own up
1)???</p>

<p>F) Wait to go to university
officials until they call me in,
Own up to third case.

  1. Go to B1, A1, C1</p>

<p>G) Go to ombudsman’s office, go
to university officials immediately,
Own up to third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>H) Go to ombudsman’s office, wait
to go to university officials
until they call me in, Own up to
third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>I) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait
to go to university officials
until they call me in, Don’t own up to third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>J) Go to ombudsman’s office, go to university officials immediately, Take lawyer, Own up to third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>K) Go to ombudsman’s office, go to university officials immediately, Take lawyer, Don’t Own up to third Case

  1. Go to A, B,C,D,E,F</p>

<p>L) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait for university officials, Take lawyer, Own up to third Case

  1. Go to A,B,C,D,E,F</p>

<p>M) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait for university officials, Take lawyer, Don’t own up to third case

  1. Go to A,B,C,D,E,F</p>
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<p>If you can’t sit down with your parents and have an honest conversation in private, why do you think it will help to bring them along to a meeting with a university committee? </p>

<p>Your cultural community is either going to rally around you as a kid who is brave enough to take time off from college to work “for a while” while he figures out what he wants to do long term, or is going to be nasty and judgmental when this leaks out. Either way- what can you do about it? </p>

<p>Your best path forward is honesty and transparency. And sorry to pushback on the obvious- but when you post things like “M) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait for university officials, Take lawyer, Don’t own up to third case” you have either hired the worst lawyer in the world (i.e. someone who knows that you’ve already had a third offense but is going to help you cover it up) or you are delusional. A decent lawyer knows that the only path forward is to own up to what you’ve done, take responsibility, and hope for a merciful outcome. No decent lawyer will tell you that you can possibly cover up the third offense when a professor, another student, and some administrative committee already knows about it- but for whatever reason, your case hasn’t been resolved yet.</p>

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<p>“Sycophant” does not mean what you think it means. Look it up.</p>

<p>Frankly, at this point I would not trust you in a position where you might alter research data because someone asked you to or it made you look more successful. You seem to have gotten in the habit of cheating or cutting corners. You are not the only person who has this problem. There are plenty of people who go through life that way. There is a well-known woman in my area who, when she was in financial and personal difficulties years ago worked for drug smugglers. She was given probation by a merciful court. Almost 20 years later, she was in financial difficulties. She embezzled from a non-profit she was running. This is a person who when the chips are down cannot be trusted not to steal. As far as I’m concerned, she should never be put in a position where she can do so. I’m sure she has other qualities that can contribute to society, and hopefully she can find a way to contribute again.</p>

<p>You, on the other hand, are much younger. You may have the ability to change. Whining about minimum wage jobs that you seem to think you are too good for does not auger well, though. To be clear, people said that you should get a job. No one said that it had to be minimum wage. If, on the other hand, that is all you can get, then be as good at that job–and as honorable–as you possibly can. Many of us, and many students, spent time doing those jobs. No honest job is something to be ashamed of, and something can be learned from every experience. Many of us also struggle with depression and loss. No one underestimates the difficulty.</p>

<p>BTW, if your parents are going to have to manage their own feelings of shame over this. I realize that it is cultural, but they have the choice to crumble under the weight of nasty gossip, or to hold their heads up high and realize who their true friends are.</p>

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<p>@blossom “A decent lawyer knows that the only path forward is to own up to what you’ve done, take responsibility, and hope for a merciful outcome. No decent lawyer will tell you that you can possibly cover up the third offense when a professor, another student, and some administrative committee already knows about it- but for whatever reason, your case hasn’t been resolved yet.”</p>

<p>Are you saying this from real life experience? Although my lawyer says to fess up the last time we talked, he did outline my appeal. The appeal failed. Perhaps his tactics are not correct. </p>

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<p>This may have been covered before and surely Lost has checked, but yes some colleges (older Ds is one) will accept a voluntary withdrawal instead of waiting to be expelled - if possible this will allow you to enroll in another school without having to explain expulsion. But it may too late since that may be a first offense kind of thing.</p>

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<p>@Consolation “sacrosanct” Sorry, I mix up those two words in my head.</p>

<p>I really can’t change my parents, and frankly, I really feel ashamed and don’t want to force them to bear the shame of my misdoings. We will see what happens. </p>

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<p>You didn’t mean sacrosanct either. I think you meant sanctimonious.</p>

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<p>@scmom12 Which schools allow voluntary withdrawal instead of waiting to be expelled? Should my lawyer be writing up such a letter? I am playing with fire right now.</p>

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<p>@Consolation Yes, you are right. You seem to be a well learned person. Thank you.</p>

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<p>The main job of the attorney is to make sure that the university follows its own policies. Do you believe that the university has not followed its own policies with respect to your case?</p>

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<p>Lost - my D went to LAC in Virginia - every school is going to have own policy. At that school, if students were brought up on charges against honor code (plagiarism, cheating, etc) and were found guilty, in some instances they could voluntarily withdraw or go to “trial” and if “conviction” upheld they are expelled. Voluntarily withdrawal gives you more options in going to other schools. Now that’s a specific policy for a specific school and would have no bearing on your situation except that you might look through conduct policy to see if something like that exists or ask lawyer if by asking the school to let you withdraw, you could do so without expulsion on your record.</p>

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<p>@‌CheddarcheeseMN I really don’t know if these could be policies broken with respect to my case, but I’m just going to throw it out there:</p>

<ol>
<li>receiving appeals decision 5 months after appeal was submitted</li>
<li>receiving appeals decision in the middle of the semester when time and money has already been invested</li>
<li>Also, I don’t know what it means that I haven’t “learned from previous incidences.” If remaining in the same class where I cheated and working hard to get an A doesn’t show any learning, then I don’t know how I can learn. Instead, the university should indicate that getting an A in the class doesn’t suffice as lesson learned, and rather that the university believes only suspension will make me learn from previous incidences.</li>
<li>No indication as to if I should still be attending university considering I am in the middle of a semester.</li>
</ol>

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<p>@scmom12 “Now that’s a specific policy for a specific school and would have no bearing on your situation except that you might look through conduct policy to see if something like that exists or ask lawyer if by asking the school to let you withdraw, you could do so without expulsion on your record.”</p>

<p>I can do more research on this specifically for my university. The best thing I can think of is pleading for voluntary withdrawal, medical academic leave, or ask for heavily monitoring after my suspension period in the third case meeting.</p>

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<p>OP, in your original post you write: “Meanwhile, I was told that I could appeal the punishment and continue in the class.” So that is what you did. Clearly the appeal process was going to take time and you were offered the opportunity of continuing your schooling (or not). So now you want to complain that the results of the appeal were not determined before the semester started? </p>

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<p>Updated:</p>

<p>A) Go to university officials
immediately, own up to third case

  1. Accept expulsion
    i) Get a minimum wage job and
    work up for 5 to 10 years to get
    a job that can pay for rent,
    food, etc.
    ii) Go to therapy (IN PROCESS)
  1. Why did it serve me well to sabotage myself?
  2. Print out these posts or show it to my psychologist and psychiatrist</p>

<p>B) Go to university officials, own up to third case, demonstrate a plan of action, request reconsideration even though I
don’t deserve it based upon voluntary withdrawal, academic leave, heavy monitoring after suspension

  1. If reconsidered, then accept
    re- admittance
  2. If rejected, please go back to
    A1 or C1.</p>

<p>C) Go to university officials
immediately, own up to third case

  1. Accept expulsion
    i) Get a minimum wage job and
    work for a while
    ii) Apply to state university and
    study credits lost and remaining
    credits.
    iii) Reapply for jobs that were
    originally being offered if I
    weren’t expelled.
    iv) Go to therapy (IN PROCESS)
  1. Go to A)1)ii)1.&2.</p>

<p>D) Wait to go to university
officials until they call me in, don’t own up.
1)???</p>

<p>E) Go to university officials immediately, don’t own up
1)???</p>

<p>F) Wait to go to university
officials until they call me in,
Own up to third case.

  1. Go to B1, A1, C1</p>

<p>G) Go to ombudsman’s office, go
to university officials immediately,
Own up to third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>H) Go to ombudsman’s office, wait
to go to university officials
until they call me in, Own up to
third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>I) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait
to go to university officials
until they call me in, Don’t own up to third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>J) Go to ombudsman’s office, go to university officials immediately, Take lawyer, Own up to third case

  1. Go to A, B, C, D, E, F</p>

<p>K) Go to ombudsman’s office, go to university officials immediately, Take lawyer, Don’t Own up to third Case

  1. Go to A, B,C,D,E,F</p>

<p>L) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait for university officials, Take lawyer, Own up to third Case

  1. Go to A,B,C,D,E,F</p>

<p>M) Go to ombudsman’s office, Wait for university officials, Take lawyer, Don’t own up to third case

  1. Go to A,B,C,D,E,F</p>
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<p>@CheddarcheeseMN Yes, I don’t think the university think they have done anything wrong for taking so long. If I really want to fight this point, then I will have to go to court.</p>

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<p>“Which schools allow voluntary withdrawal instead of waiting to be expelled? Should my lawyer be writing up such a letter? I am playing with fire right now.”</p>

<p>What does it matter if fifty other schools allow voluntary withdrawal instead of waiting to be expelled? Either YOUR school does or doesn’t. </p>

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<p>"If I really want to fight this point, then I will have to go to court. " What would your court case be based on? That is not how courts work. </p>

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<p>You have enough options/plans at this point. You should be culling.</p>

<p>Get rid of the options where you wait for officials to call you and then own up, and the ones where you proactively go to the officials and don’t own up. Neither make much sense, IMO. Although frankly, you should toss every option that says “don’t own up” – you’re going to be found out anyways. </p>

<p>Maybe someone without your record could deny it and be given the benefit of the doubt. But based on what your university knows about your character already, you won’t get that sort of leniency.</p>