UA Reaches Record 28,807 students

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<p>No. Part of the reason is the UA System Board of Trustees wants to avoid duplication of specialized majors (like BME or Materials Engineering) across system universities. Also, UAB would probably pitch a fit as they have dibs on it. </p>

<p>I remember a few years ago, there was a UA ad during a football game where students would say what they wanted to be when they graduated UA. One of the students said they wanted to be a biomedical engineering. UAB’s administration protested and the ad was altered.</p>

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<p>How big are classes at UA?
Our student-to-faculty ratio is 20:1. Some of your classes might have large lecture sections with smaller discussion or lab sections that provide more individualized attention. Many more classes, including freshman composition, will be small and will include lots of student-faculty interaction. For example, we offer more than 1000 class sections or subsections with 19 or fewer students. Here’s how classes at UA break down: </p>

<p>Class or Section Size —Number of Classes
2-9 students ----------405
10-19 -----------------703
20-29 -----------------650
30-39 -----------------301
40-49 -----------------156
50-99 -----------------227
100+ ------------------165
Total ------------------2,607</p>

<p>So far, my kids have had very few large classes. The few that have been large have small labs (20 or less) that accompany the large class. My kids are in the honors program, so when they take honors classes those are required to be smaller.</p>

<p>Enrollment at UA is up 47 percent since fall 2002. In continuing to achieve these record-breaking numbers, the university is following a carefully developed and executed growth plan that encompasses faculty, facilities and support functions. “Our goal is to make sure the ‘Alabama experience’ is a positive one for every student,” said Witt. “We are pleased that students and their families continue to see value in an education from The University of Alabama.”</p>

<p>Enrollment highlights include:</p>

<p>· The entering freshman class, at 5,207, is the largest and most academically talented class in UA history. </p>

<p>· ** The freshman class includes 102 National Merit Scholars and 25 National Achievement Scholars. ** Last year, UA ranked 11th in the nation among public universities in the enrollment of National Merit Scholars. The University is generally ranked in the top five public universities in the enrollment of National Achievement Scholars.</p>

<p>· The freshman class includes 1,173 students with a 4.0 high school grade point average, up from 1,012 in fall 2008. </p>

<p>· ** The number of high school seniors applying for admission to UA for fall 2009 reached a record 19,449, up more than 165 percent over the 7,300 applications received for fall 2002. The percent of students admitted has decreased since 2002 as UA has become a more selective institution. **</p>

<p>· Enrollment in graduate and first professional degree programs is 5,105, up from 4,709 last year. </p>

<p>· Total enrollment includes students from all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and more than 70 foreign countries.</p>

<p>** Since January 2003, UA has opened 40 new buildings, including 10 new residence halls, 2 new dining halls, and 4 new academic buildings. UA has completed renovations and additions of 1,390,287 square feet. UA is in various stages of design and construction for new, renovated and additional space for 8 facilities. **</p>

<p>I would be interested in seeing a complete listing of these 40 new buildings that have been opened, because only 4 of them are stated to be academic buildings.</p>

<p>While I agree with the need for new academic buildings, having visited our state college with our son’s major, I will tell you that I was quite upset that the university requires students to live on campus for two years, but has pretty bad, and I am no snob, housing facilities. If you want to attract good students to your university, you have to give them a decent place to live. Not the Taj Mahal, but at least someplace you won’t get sick living in.</p>

<p>Don’t let the numbers UA spews to prospective students mislead you. The UH classes are limited to 15 students, but these UH classes do not count towards any major/degree requirement for the majority of students. All of your required classes will still have large numbers of students, especially the intro classes. </p>

<p>All my classes have 50 or more students. I actually consider 50 students small though compared to other classes I’ve taken. </p>

<p>If UA really wanted to focus on academics, they need to build another library! The libraries are always packed and it’s hard to find parking at a couple of the libraries on campus. </p>

<p>My department, CHE, is still looking for a department head. Our interim head is the full head of another engineering department. It actually worries me that we have yet to find a full time replacement. It’s going on 2 years.</p>

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<p>If you don’t choose wisely, your UH course won’t count…However, all the honors classes that my kids have chosen have counted towards degree requirements…including the 300 level honors course with the W designation.</p>

<p>BTW…I just looked up all the UH classes offered this semester on MyBama…and nearly EVERY class offered had a designation/attribute - which means the courses ARE applicable to a core curriculum requirement. Therefore, it is easy to take UH courses and have them “count”.</p>

<p>have you contacted anyone at UA planning about the library situation and your desire for another library (or enlarging one of the present ones)?</p>

<p>The squeaky wheel gets the grease…but squeaks only on CC don’t get anything.</p>

<p>^^^ </p>

<p>UA is aware of the crowding at its 5 campus libraries. To immediately relieve some of the problem, it recently built an “annex” to store some infrequently used books to free up space for studying, etc. Those seldom-used books are still available and are being protected, and can be requested if needed. </p>

<p>"The University Libraries recently completed construction of a Library Annex to supplement their existing facilities. Campus libraries have outgrown existing shelf space for collections, resulting in impeded access to high-use materials and limited space for study, research and library services.</p>

<p>Seldom-used books and journals were transferred to the Annex. Now heavily-used items are arranged in logical order on spacious shelves.</p>

<p>In recent years book stacks had expanded into the study rooms. Now a variety of quality study areas can be restored in the libraries.</p>

<p>Older books and journals need more protection. The Annex is climate controlled and the books and journals you need will be protected.</p>

<p>I wonder if one of the phases for the Science complex will include a Science Library…it would seem to make sense. Does anyone know???</p>

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<p>I didn’t know you were in chemical engineering, Prophet. That’s cool. I should tell you that the interim head of the department Dr. Acoff has actually been named to that position permanently. Basically, the faculty and the dean grew tired of not being to find anybody. Now, why they couldn’t find anybody is a complicated issue itself.</p>

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<p>I have no idea why they can’t find anyone considering that there have been faculty reductions on other campuses in other states.</p>

<p>However, it is getting harder and harder to get people to relocate to another state for a variety of reasons…such as…</p>

<p>No job prospects for the spouse in the new location - especially a problem if spouse owns his/her own business or is an established professional - such as a doctor, lawyer, or even a realtor with a very established “name” in their present location.</p>

<p>Divorced, and can’t/won’t leave state because of minor children & custody agreement</p>

<p>Job offer won’t adequately cover sale of home and relocation costs</p>

<p>Owe more on mortgage than what the house is now worth in this economy.</p>

<p>Won’t leave the state where the grand-children live</p>

<p>Won’t move while their children are in high school.</p>

<p>Spouse refuses to relocate.</p>

<p>When my hubby’s job relocated us from Calif to Alabama, there were a lot of people that just had to quit and not transfer…for some of the above reasons. It is getting harder and harder to get people to relocate to another geographical area.</p>

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<p>I just looked up myBama too. All the UH courses count either as humanities or writing (in addition to honors courses). The rest of the honors courses are offered by individual department, and most are into level courses. Everybody has distribution requirements be sure (but engineering students actually have a different distribution requirements that have less emphasis on the liberal arts), however, at some point you have to take classes in your college and in your department for your major. </p>

<p>These upper level courses are usually not offered with honors alternates (again because the faculty population doesn’t match the student population in many cases). In theory, upper level courses are smaller than lower level courses, and in the case of my specific department, that used to be true. But courses that had 20-30 students five years ago, now regularly have 50-60 students (and I’m talking about senior level courses here).</p>

<p>The library issue is another example that I didn’t even think about. The university through lobbying by the SGA has started programs to keep the libraries open 24 hours through the work week. I think it’s a good idea to move some books from the library to a storage facility. I think they could take that idea further. Why do we need stacks in the digital age anyway?</p>

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<p>Not that I know of, especially since there already is a science library.</p>

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<p>Very true, I have to reach out to people in the know to find out more about this.</p>

<p>My Quote: I have no idea why they can’t find anyone considering that there have been faculty reductions on other campuses in other states.</p>

<p>Feeno quote: However, it is getting harder and harder to get people to relocate to another state for a variety of reasons… Very true, I have to reach out to people in the know to find out more about this. </p>

<p>My answer:</p>

<p>At my kids’ Catholic high school, we tried and tried to hire a new principal when the old one retired. We did a nationwide search. (I was on the board at the time.) We got some responses, but the “demands” were too expensive.</p>

<p>Some applicants wanted $100k for “relocations expenses” (moving costs, realtor costs, etc). Since we had recently gone thru a corporate move, I knew that our move cost more than $100k for everything…but large companies can afford such costs, schools can’t. One applicant wanted us to find his wife a job in some obscure field. Again, big companies do that kind of thing, schools are less likely to have such resources.</p>

<p>In the end, after interviewing the applicants (and paying for their travel costs), we ended up making the “interim principal” permanent. So, maybe UA had a similar problem with hiring the CHE department head. The dean of the Honors College retired, and the interim dean is also the director of CBHP. I’m sure he’s over-worked, but I guess it’s been hard to find a replacement for either CBHP or for the dean’s job.</p>

<p>Sounds like colleges are growing in numbers in spite of economy</p>

<p>** Packed classes catch colleges by surprise – baltimoresun.com **
[Packed</a> classes catch colleges by surprise – baltimoresun.com](<a href=“http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.enrollment21sep21,0,2173364.story]Packed”>http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.enrollment21sep21,0,2173364.story)</p>

<p>September 21, 2009</p>

<p>The freshmen arrived in a flood, forcing the Johns Hopkins University to reopen a defunct residence hall, lease a nearby inn and create new sections of popular math and science courses.</p>

<p>Those might sound like steps required in a robust economy, when a $54,500 annual price tag would be little impediment to students seeking a prestigious education. The twist is that all of it happened in the past three weeks.</p>

<p>Conventional wisdom held that the deep recession might push students away from expensive private schools such as Hopkins to lower-priced alternatives. Instead, the university is coping with a freshman boom.</p>

<p>A projected class of 1,235 is actually a class of 1,350 and, instead of bracing for bleak revenue numbers, Hopkins officials are scouring every nook and cranny for places to put their newest customers.</p>

<p>“It’s good news in the sense that if we couldn’t hit our target, this is better than being way below it,” said Bill Conley, dean of enrollment and academic services. “It’s a good problem to have.”</p>

<p>Hopkins is only the most dramatic example of a trend that has surprised colleges and universities across the state. Despite the recession and high tuitions at many institutions, students appear as determined to attend college as ever.</p>

<p>Admissions officers said all summer that they had little idea what they might see when students arrived for the fall semester. Hitting bull’s-eye on the projected size of a freshman class is an inexact science in the best of times. And given the volatile economy, a rash of last-minute no-shows seemed possible.</p>

<p>“This was, in my 10 years working in the public sector, one of the most difficult years to project enrollment,” said Brian Hazlett, director of admissions at Towson University.</p>

<p>** Most colleges built more no-shows than usual into their projections. This measure is known as melt in the admissions world. [/m] But a funny thing happened when local campuses greeted their new classes in late August - there was little or no melt. The kids who said they were coming in the spring actually showed up.</p>

<p>Admissions counselors said the resilience of student commitments shows that families were willing to forgo other expenses to invest in the long-term payoff of college and that they wanted a bit of certainty in uncertain times.</p>

<p>At Towson, the freshman class is about 1 percent larger than projected. That’s not an unusual variation, but in a year when admissions officers worried that class sizes would skew low, it’s a positive sign, Hazlett said.</p>

<p>“We see it as evidence that students and families understand that they made a good buy,” he said. “Private schools were out there offering a lot of scholarship money, but we really were not impacted by that.”</p>

<p>** At the University of Maryland, College Park a projected class of 4,000 came in at 4,200. ** That was largely because fewer students changed their minds over the summer than usual, said Britt Reynolds, director of undergraduate admissions.</p>

<p>“In hindsight, we can look at it and say that maybe people wanted fewer risks in the middle of a recession,” he said. “They wanted to pick something, stick with it and bring some certainty to their lives.”</p>

<p>Reynolds said it’s not unusual to overshoot or undershoot projections by a few hundred and said the campus can absorb the extra students with little difficulty.</p>

<p>“I take this as good news overall,” he said. “You never want to be too much under or over your projection, but people tended to move back to education in this time, and that’s a good thing for us.”</p>

<p>Loyola projected an incoming class of 950 students and ended up with 972, seeing little evidence of late-summer melt because of the volatile economy. After over-enrolling by 80 last year, Loyola did not want to overshoot by so many again, so officials are satisfied with the number.</p>

<p>“It was very hard to have a complete pulse on the numbers this year,” said Elena Hicks, director of undergraduate admissions at Loyola. “We came in exactly where we wanted to be, so we’re happy.”</p>

<p>When Hopkins officials devised enrollment projections in March, they expected about 1,205 acceptances from the students they admitted and figured they would fill the other 30 slots from the wait list. Because of the recession, they figured students who did not apply for financial aid or applied and were rejected would enroll at lower rates than usual. Those students, who would be faced with paying the full price of a Hopkins education, seemed the most likely to look for cheaper alternatives.</p>

<p>“That’s the very group that confounded us,” Conley said. “They yielded much higher than expected.”</p>

<p>Hopkins officials aren’t sure why this happened. But Conley said the students that surprised them tended to come from families with long histories of attending private colleges. “We think that even with the financial sacrifices required, it was hard for them to walk away.”</p>

<p>Conley also speculated that Hopkins’ reputation as a rigorous academic school helped it in a time when waste seems unpalatable.</p>

<p>“This is a time when a lot of families want their children at a place where education is serious business,” he said. “That’s what’s going to sell. People are not going to spend $50,000 a year just for their kids to have a good old time.”</p>

<p>It is simply not true that UA has not hired large numbers of new faculty to match the growing enrollment. Please read the link for details about the increase in faculty in UA’s College of Arts and Sciences. </p>

<p>[News</a> from the College | College of Arts and Sciences](<a href=“http://web.as.ua.edu/home/news/2009/mailnews/october/webmail.php]News”>http://web.as.ua.edu/home/news/2009/mailnews/october/webmail.php)</p>

<p>Well, that’s good. That’s about a 20% increase in faculty in the College of Arts and Science, as opposed to a 40% in student enrollment (all of whom take a least a few A&S courses). It’s better than nothing, though.</p>

<p>Feeno…you can’t go by numbers alone. We don’t know how many of the 342 A&S faculty members in 2004 were only part-time. Now, there are 411 faculty members (some who may also be part-time). But, unless you know exactly how many were part-time (and how few classes they taught) and how many are part-time now, you can’t just compare the raw numbers.</p>

<p>So, how do you propose to analyze the numbers?</p>