<p>Wow it sounds so mean now that I've written it.</p>
<p>But seriously, without trying to be hostile, I have to say you will in all probability not get in unless you have AMAZING ECs, essays and recs.</p>
<p>Penn_dreamer: Perro did make a positive contribution - it's not what you want to hear, but it is reality.</p>
<p>I know you didn't ask what your chances are, but it really doesn't matter whether the program is the best or the worst if you can't get in. I'm not suggesting you don't apply to AEM or Wharton - it's great to aim high & "dream". Just be sure to apply to realistic schools, or you could end up with nothing.</p>
<p>Hi MUnited,
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Yea, Cornell UBM (or AEM) is really good, however, it does not rank as high as Wharton because it is relatively new, sort of like the Yale Business School.
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<p>Could you please tell me about the Yale Business School? I was always under the impression that Yale believes strongly in liberal arts and that they do not have an undergraduate business school for that reason? Economics was always the major of choice for students passionate about business. The Yale School of Management is of course strictly a graduate program. I searched and searched but I couldn't find anything about a Yale undergraduate business program. If you have information on it, I am very interested.</p>
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<p>P.S. This post is not meant to be sarcastic. MUnited usually has well researched contributions to this board. I am truly curious if Yale is changing its longstanding history of a liberal arts educatiion.</p>
<p>can anybody explain to me why goldman sachs refuse to recruit cornell engineering graduates but take like 20 from columbia fu school? i got into both but i chose cornell and now im not so sure about about my decision</p>
<p>5 hours vs. 15 minutes? you're correct, of course, that no cornell graduates are allowed to work at goldman sachs.</p>
<p>Harvardman:
I have never heard that before. Where did you get that information from? Why don't you call Career Services?<br>
<a href="http://www.career.cornell.edu/gettingStarted.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.career.cornell.edu/gettingStarted.html</a></p>
<p>i see citigroup, jp morgan and chase, merrill lynch, deutsche bank, but no goldman sachs. take a look yourself. maybe i was misled. x.x</p>
<p>Curious, why do you care so much specifically about goldman sachs? I mean, one of my brothers was an ORIE major in the eng school and got a sweet job just this year working in manhattan for citigroup. Would that not be good enough for you? Moreover, if your desire is to work for GS, why not major in AEM? I'm pretty sure more than a few AEM majors end up working for them. If you want to be sure to end up working with a financial company, then i dont know why you would go into engineering. I know plenty of engineering majors (mostly OR) end up working in finance, but i dont know of anyone who has gone in thinking they wanted to work in that sector.</p>
<p>Harvardman: I looked at your link, and it showed post-graduation plans for the Class of 2005 in Operations Research and Industrial Engineering. It is true that Goldman was not mentioned by the students who responded to the survey (70%), but I do not see any inference that Goldman refuses to recruit Cornell engineers.
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can anybody explain to me why goldman sachs refuse to recruit cornell engineering graduates
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<p>Edit: Scroll down to Goldman Sachs under "Recent Employers"
<a href="http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/students/co-op-program/recent-employers/ope.cfm%5B/url%5D">http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/students/co-op-program/recent-employers/ope.cfm</a></p>
<p>Scroll down to Goldman Sachs under "All Current Offers"
<a href="http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/co-op/coop-students/offer-process/all-current-offers.cfm%5B/url%5D">http://www.engineering.cornell.edu/student-services/engineering-coop-career-services/co-op/coop-students/offer-process/all-current-offers.cfm</a></p>
<p>perro, i never said i wanted to work for goldman sachs. im just curious why they take 20 from columbia fu school every year but didnt take one from ORIE or any engineering department at cornell in 2005. Its puzzling to me, that's all.</p>
<p>Well I don't know much about the columbia fu school at all, so I cant really say too much. Maybe they have some kind of engineering major that is more business oriented and thus would be an easier transition to the financial sector? I don't know. Columbia in general is less of a tech school and more liberal arts, the Fu school isnt considered super-legitimate and isn't on par with cornell engineering. Maybe the kids who go there have more of an opportunity to dabble in things outside of engineering? Or maybe sachs just doesnt recruit as much at cornell. Who knows.</p>
<p>Also,</p>
<p>Statement A: "can anybody explain to me why goldman sachs refuse to recruit cornell engineering graduates but take like 20 from columbia fu school?"</p>
<p>Statement B:"i got into both but i chose cornell and now im not so sure about about my decision".</p>
<p>As B immediately followed A, it would lead one to believe that the insecurity expressed in B would be result of the fact stated in A, unless you aren't sure about your decision for some completely unrelated reason. Which would mean that 1) your intent was to express your insecurity, but you weren't insecure because GS didnt hire from cornell, which makes the first statement unneccesary, 2) you intended to inquire as to why GS didnt hire from cornell but werent insecure about going to cornell because of this, leading one to wonder why you stated that you were unsure about going to cornell, or 3) you are unsure about cornell because GS doesnt hire many engineers from cornell, which heavily implies that you want to be an engineer from cornell hired by goldman sachs. See?</p>