<p>As many Californians do every year, if you don't get into the prized UC school (Berkeley and UCLA), you can always go to school out-of-state.</p>
<p>hmom5, I just know the cost of living is so high that not even a $40,000 salary is enough to rent a one-bedroom apartment, let alone buy a small house.</p>
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Slitheytove, I was reponding to Dstarks claim that the UCs create more upward mobility than private colleges. Much of the financial mobility CA as recorded in the last 3 decades was real estate wealth in the form of appreciations of homes. For this generation, that probably will not be the case.
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<p>Depends on how you define upward mobility. I take it to mean primarily the career of the child when compared with that of the parents. That's generally due to education, not home values. Lifestyle is of course part of upward mobility, to a certain extent, but career is the biggie in my eyes. Especially because lifestyle "improvements" are hard to define. My income is greater than my parents' was, but they got excellent health care and great pensions, all while working fewer hours. So much of my income bump goes to save for things that their employment gave them, or to pay for people to do things that they managed to get to during their off time. </p>
<p>It's not legally possible to expect the UC's to have the same free hand with affirmative action admits as private schools have (bad grammar, apologies). My preference would be to push towards economic affirmative action, which of course would make the UC budget issue worse. </p>
<p>I'm also still not getting the significance of why it's better to have more OOS kids at the UC's because the CA public school kids aren't leaving CA in the same numbers as their private school counterparts. Are we trying to force the little buggers out? (is bugger a word that gets asterisked out? Let's find out.)</p>
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<p>Or you could even go to (the horror, the horror)....another UC! Oh, the humanity!</p>
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<p>I know several kids who attend UMich for that very reason. (Of course, I'm off to put on my flame retardent suit bcos the Ann Arbor Old Blues will take particular offense that it appears easier to get into thier school OOS than it is to get into Cal or UCLA instate.)</p>
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<p>That tracks the UCLA acceptances at our local SoCal high school. UCLA and Berkeley usually draw from the top 2% of the class at our high school.</p>
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Dstark, the blacks are being left out.
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The UCs don't have that many African American students. They could use more.
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<p>But surprisingly, when one looks at the percentage attending vs. percentage in the state vs similar schools in other states it's not really that different. I don't have current numbers but when I checked against UVA and some others at one time I was actually surprised by how similar they were when one considers the state demographics.</p>
<p>But this is a tangent from the topic.</p>
<p>bluebayou--it's just a function of numbers. California nearly 40,000,000, Michigan 10,000,000. It really says nothing about the inherent school quality.</p>
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I know several kids who attend UMich for that very reason. (Of course, I'm off to put on my flame retardent suit bcos the Ann Arbor Old Blues will take particular offense that it appears easier to get into thier school OOS than it is to get into Cal or UCLA instate.)
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<p>Yet, their SAT/ACT ranges are practically the same as UMich's. The key is to go to bad/mediocre HS where you can be the top few % without being very smart; it just shows California has plenty of those schools too. This CC board seems to be full of those that go/went to the top HS when obviously, there's that other side. </p>
<p>In short, there's a much easier way to get into UCLA/Berkeley and it's easier to get in than UMich OOS. I suspect when everybody is counted, including those that go to mediocre/bad HS, the UMich OOS group is of higher caliber than UCLA/UCB in-state. And then, there are those CC transfers....</p>
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<p>Nope, I can accept that readily enough. And thank you, California, for sending us your great kids; U-M is thrilled to have them. Sorry about the frostbite they keep getting!</p>
<p>^^ Hmmm...maybe because the student populations at public universities are fairly large sized, especially in comparison to top privates.</p>
<p>Average SAT score for a large student population comes into line with national averages.</p>
<p>Ths is just one of the many things that show CA is overrated and overpriced. I left and I haven't looked back since then. :D</p>
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<p>Late bloomers or just $$$ smart. I was shocked when I first got to Seattle and saw how many good students were happy to go to the local CC for two years and then transfer to Udub..</p>
<p>Geez, Sam Lee, where are you living now? I'm still obviously in the Midwest. The cold is brutal but this state has a certain charm to it. ;)</p>
<p>Regarding CC transfers, public universities are obligated to accept local students from community colleges. I know Michigan has that Jack Kent Cooke Foundation scholarship program for community college students.</p>
<p>ucb, lol. was just referring to the back door (easier way); doesn't mean they aren't as qualified.</p>
<p>^ Good to hear. I transferred from a Cal State but did not see a difference. IMHO, transfer students are more mature, better focused, have a stronger work ethic, and a more grounded sensibility (usually due to coming from disadvantaged or ex-military backgrounds and/or having to work to provide funding for their education).</p>
<p>tenisghs, i am in dc and i love it here.</p>
<p>Wow, I used to live in DC. I have family in the area. It's definitely a blast for young professionals. Good transit system (Metro). At least the atmosphere breathes Obama now.</p>
<p>Maybe once I get my grad degree here at Michigan, I'll get a vacation home in the DC area. ;)</p>
<h2>I know several kids who attend UMich for that very reason. (Of course, I'm off to put on my flame retardent suit bcos the Ann Arbor Old Blues will take particular offense that it appears easier to get into thier school OOS than it is to get into Cal or UCLA instate.)</h2>
<p>I laughed pretty hard, lol</p>