<p>Out of state freshmen at UCLA increase to 15% of class from 11.4% the previous year.</p>
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<p>Does this mean that Berkeley will welcome 22.6% of non-Californians as NEW students this Fall? I am curious to know how many OOS freshmen does it take to account for close to 23% of entering freshmen. </p>
<p>Also, how does the total number of OOS freshmen compare to the number of transfers?</p>
<p>Will all of the OOS students be full-pay? What happens if an OOS full-pay students’ parents lose their jobs next year - will they receive FA, or are they out?</p>
<p>What will really be interesting to watch is yield…will UC end up with empty beds:</p>
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Freshman SIRs: UC has received 34,116 Statements of Intent to Register from California resident freshmen. This figure represents a slight decline compared with last year. Because not all students who submit SIRs end up enrolling at UC, it is too early to determine with certainty whether UC will reach its freshman target of approximately 33,000 new freshmen.</p>
<p>Bluebayou, do you really think the UC will have problems filling its available beds at its most popular campuses? Doesn’t the UC have some kind of emergency switch to attract late international students or easy to cajole transfers?</p>
<p>I am more interested to understand what is happening at the flasghip schools. It looks like more than 500 internationals plan to enter Cal as freshmen (529/1070,) a number that represents a solid yield. “Domestic” students are supposed to number 3,761. It’s unclear how that number correlates to the 9,459 admits from California and the 2,385 OOS admits. By the way, Cal expects more than 2,200 transfers, a number that again exemplifies both its mission and admission strategy.</p>
<p>Might have to take a closer looks at the existing tables.</p>
<p>Yes, it looks like it is going to continue to be very difficult to get into Cal even if one is from California.</p>
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<p>Yes, with admission rates at around 25% at Cal and 21% at UCLA, it will be harder than ever to gain admission to the two flagship schools. </p>
<p>It will also remain remarkably easy for Californians to be admitted at the UC system, as more than 7 out of every 10 students are STILL experiencing. </p>
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<p>Of course, but I was specifically referring to Berkeley since that was the topic of the thread</p>
<p>xiggi, your fascination with Berkeley never ceases to amaze me… :)</p>
<p>Milk those cash cows, Burk-ree.</p>
<p>^ Jealous? 
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<p>What is An-hurt?</p>
<p>xiggi:</p>
<p>Yes, Cal has accepted a lot more transfers this year. But attracting and enrolling internationals is not so easy – the latter part, that is. It just takes too much time to process ed visas for last minute acceptances.</p>
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<p>Oh, I’d like to pretend that it is just part of my required community service hours. By the way, isn’t it equally fascinating how quickly you notice my contributions to threads that extol the greatness of Cal. Did you build some kind of CC alert? You must have taken a few CS class at Cal in your days. ;)</p>
<p>I wan yo digitz, holmes:</p>
<p>? Average SAT of OOS/Intl. Students v. Average SAT of CA Residents</p>
<p>? Average Financial Aid Package awarded to OOS/Intl. Students v. Average Financial Aid Package awarded to CA residents</p>
<p>in b4 2300 v. 1800; 1500 USD v. 35000 USD</p>
<p>[University</a> of California freshmen to include record number of out-of-state and international students - latimes.com](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-uc-enroll-20100715,0,2160250.story]University”>Out of state? Come to UC)</p>
<p>Out of state freshmen at UCLA increase to 15% of class from 11.4% the previous year.</p>
<p>I’m always interested in anything happening at UC, and particularly UCLA.</p>
<p>I don’t know if one can link the print version, but here’s a chart breakdown of the non-Californian (NCA) students enrolling at UC per top three NCA enrolled campuses:</p>
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<li><p>Cal, 5,247 frosh class, approx 1,189 NCA (Includes around 700 Spring admits; btw difference in stats between fall and spring admits is actually quite large): 22.6% NCA students. Per Cal’s website, with some 31 student difference in count in NCA’s, 696 oos, and 524 internationals. Cal does well in drawing internationals, and moderately in oos students. Here’s the metioned link with statistics from [Cal’s admissions site](<a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp</a>).</p></li>
<li><p>UCLA, 4,818 frosh: ~ 4,100 CA students and ~ 718 NCA students: 354 oos, 364 international - 14.9% NCA students. UCLA upped its internationals in the 2010 frosh class per article. It had mainly received most of the ints from community college, specifically from Santa Monica College. Most of its oos students enrolled from its frosh classes. > 10% of the college transfers (community college, other universities) into UCLA are internationals.</p></li>
<li><p>UCSD, 4,181 frosh; 389 NCA, 3,792 CA: 9.3% NCA students. I don’t have the breakdowns between oos and internationals.</p></li>
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<p>Since I’m interested in specific demographics within the greater subsets, I would be interested in finding out how many International students attended US high schools and kept their foreign status for applying as opposed to those who attended school outside of the US.</p>
<p>If a lot of the Ints were educated in the US, I would imagine the SF Bay would be a leader in their educations, places like Lowell High School and some of the schools in San Jose and Fremont.</p>
<p>I would think the majority of Internationals UCLA enrolls from community college would be educated abroad, ie, their native countries. The reason why they would have to attend cc would be because they would have to show English proficiency, etc, along with grades, before they could xfer.</p>
<p>It’ll be interesting to see if this UC quest to seek full tuition payers will lead to more apps this upcoming fall.</p>
<p>And I don’t buy the notion that UC is being unfaithful to CA residents. I think admission to UC should be based on educating the best and brightest without regard to origins, ie, merit - education as a priviledge to best and brightest, not a “right”; besides, I think this is what hindered the U from becoming ultimately diverse and will help the U to become so. Besides, that 8% is still quite low, as the article said, compared to CU Boulder, Michigan, etc.</p>
<p>I don’t know if full tuition payers are paying the cost of their education - we know they’re paying the “full” tuition unbacked by the state, but there seems to be some sort of “mark up.” If so, UC should lower oos tuition somewhat for those highly q’ed students to draw more into applying and attending. That way, the best and brightest from elsewhere would become more interested.</p>