http://admissions.berkeley.edu/transcripts indicates that UCB shows status of final high school transcripts on the student portal.
https://www.admissions.uci.edu/myadmission/new-student-welcome-guide.php does not mention whether UCI has a means of electronic transcript submission, nor does it mention whether incoming frosh can check the status of final high school transcripts.
HS transcripts were free of charge when I attended my NYC public magnet.
However, we were limited to a maximum of 8 applications of which one must be to the SUNY/CUNY system*.
The college office made it a point to remind us of the limit and their reserved right to refuse to process any applications beyond the 8 app limit.
Had a few classmates who tried to test the college office in this area and were pointedly asked by our college office which 8 applications were to be prioritized and refused to process any of their apps until they prioritized which 8 they wanted and forgot about the rest.
For those who say public school education is just as good as any private school…what do you say now ?
@blevine, What does this PR problem have to do with the quality of public education? This is an administrative issue, not an academic one.
Some Irvine admits will be getting NO education this fall.
My son goes to a private that also had too high a yield.
So they immediately accelerated plans to rennovate older dorms to accomodate unexpected growth.
Irvine met a challenge with bureaucracy, my son’s private met the problem with action.
Your son’s private, I’m sure, charges a LOT more for tuition. They would be highly motivated to get those students on campus and paying. The cost from renovating any older dorms would be partially covered by their tuition.
However, your point about making accommodations for the additional students is valid. Most publics or privates would take the hit (in over-enrollment), and put students into temporary triples, higher more adjunct faculty, teach some classes later in the afternoon, etc… Then the next year, they may reduce enrolment a bit to compensate and get their overall enrollment numbers back on track.
I’m no expect on the UC’s, but I bet UC-Irving is running at max enrollment. So the above steps are not easy to make.
Interestingly, at UC-I, about 20% are international students (who pay much more in tuition). I wonder how many of those got their offers rescinded? :-?
@Gator88NE Good question about those higher paying students!
My point was, people don’t want to believe that you get what you pay for.
I have two sons in different private schools, and while nothing is perfect, they don’t run even the larger of the 2 like a huge bureaucracy and dont treat people like this. I went to a private when I was a student, my relatives and many friends went public. I visited them back at the time and we compared notes. I went to one of the largest privates, had no classes as large as the large lecture halls I saw visiting our large public school campuses. Never felt like I was in a large bureaucratic institution, though it was large. Irvine is treating these people “like a number”.
“So they immediately accelerated plans to rennovate older dorms to accomodate unexpected growth.”
Between spring (May 1?)and the start of classes in fall, they renovated in satisfactory ways? What was it? Bought more beds and dressers?
Anyway, so many privates have housing complaints of one sort or another.
More likely, most of those who were rescinded and not reinstated will be going to community colleges.
I take it the private school your son goes to is not Mount Saint Mary’s.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/20/furor-mount-st-marys-over-presidents-alleged-plan-cull-students
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1854265-are-at-risk-students-bunnies-to-be-drowned-p1.html
Or Quinnipiac.
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/2007710-non-traditional-housing-p1.html
This happens at one public university and you generalize that to all public universities? Columbia and Carnegie-Mellon have also had to notify hundreds of accepted applicants that they really weren’t accepted.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/us/columbia-university-application-mistake/index.html
@blevine- I remember your previous posts on the Georgia Tech forum. You have a clear bias against public universities and clump them all together ignoring what posters who children go to public universities have said. My DD at Georgia Tech has had a very personal educational experience and has never been treated “like a number.” (e.g. small classes, personal interaction with deans and professors etc.). I went to UCLA in the 80’s and I too had a very personal experience where I was not treated like a number. I know I won’t change your mind (because I tried to previously) but please stop trying to generalize that public education is not “as good as any private school.” In fact, I know based on your posts that you have been unhappy at times with your older son’s computer science class experiences by the lack of faculty attention at his private school so as you say, no educational experience is perfect.
As others have mentioned, this isn’t an academic issue but an administrative issue. Students were told that transcripts had to be submitted by a certain date. Students in the withdrawn group did not have their transcripts in by the deadline. In the past where UCI could have been more forgiving where students missed the deadline, with the yield being what it was, UCI couldn’t be this year. If a student could show that they did indeed send the transcript by the deadline or ordered it to be sent by the deadline and somehow it did not get into their UCI portal by the deadline, UCI has been granting their appeals and have instituted an expedited appeals process giving them a decision within a week.
Applicants to the UC’s know that their acceptances are provisional until they meet all the conditions of their admission offer. Since the UC’s have students self-report transcripts during the application process and the UC’s do not have official transcripts with the application, students know that submitting the transcript by the deadline is extremely important and that the transcript better match what the student self-reported. This issue isn’t new this year but is gaining attention due to the size of the UCI group. Every year here on CC we see students post that their UC admission was withdrawn because they failed to submit a transcript, or that their grades or classes did not match up to what they self-reported.
Administrative mistakes during the admissions process are not limited to just public universities. Others have cited some examples and I add to it Vassar’s. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/education/vassar-applicants-are-mistakenly-told-they-are-accepted.html
You have to consider the size of the school too. This is about 500 of the 7,100 who accepted admissions. About 300 were rescinded for transcript problems, about 200 for other reasons (most getting D’s and F’s). That’s 7%, and many have already been readmitted. I think the transcript problem kids will be readmitted and those with the D’s and F’s will be at community college.
At your private schools, @blevine, were the numbers similar? Were the schools trying to squeeze another 50 students into a class of 500, or were they trying to squeeze in 100? Some schools also do things like offer spring admissions, give bonuses for taking a gap year, have students take a semester abroad for a semester.
I have one kid at a private school with about 3500 undergrads, freshmen class size of ~950. Other is at a public school with freshman class size of about 2500. The public does a much better job with paperwork than the private. Any problems have been immediately fixed with a phone call to just about anyone at the public. The private school has exactly one person who does each thing and there is little communication between departments even though they are all in the same building. You have to find the right person for your issue or it doesn’t get fixed.
As others said, can’t generalize all privates and being better than publics. For instance, some private schools have large impersonal bureaucracies(I.e. Columbia, NYU)* and large lecture classes(I.e.: Cornell’s infamous 1500 person Intro to Psych an older cousin took while there, my own experience attending H’summer intro to stats for econ majors which was ~300 students).
What does not seem to get attention in this thread are academic rescissions. UCI is presumably strictly enforcing conditions like 3.0 senior year GPA, no D or F grades, etc… But at least these are clear cut, even if they were not strictly enforced in previous years.
However, lots of colleges vaguely say that admitted students have to maintain their previous academic performance in senior year, without specifying any hard thresholds. Could it mean that they are retaining flexibility to use tighter limits on GPA drops if they get into an overenrollment situation? I.e. perhaps their usual unstated policy is to hold a 3.7 admit to a 3.0 senior year GPA, but if they overenroll, they may hold a 3.7 admit to a 3.5 senior year GPA.
This shows the ridiculousness of the US college admission practice. Students work so hard until 11th grade then slack in 12th grade. Students should worry less about college admission in 9th-11th grade and concentrate more in 12th grade.
Virginia Tech big time missed their freshman acceptance rate as well for this fall. Expected a class of 6400, actual acceptances were 7104 (think they’re down to right around 7k now). Oops. They have not resorted to the UC Irvine approach to managing this and are scrambling to add beds and class sections. From the orientation feedback this summer it seems the parents are more upset about this than the students …
UCI apparently had 104,000 applicants for Fall 2017. Managing yield and enrollment with that many applicants has to be an admissions nightmare. Despite the bad PR, I would not be surprised to see them maintain enrollment flexibility by strictly enforcing their conditional acceptance requirements as it relates to GPA and minimum course grades, and final transcript submission deadlines.
I seem to recall one UC (Cal or UCLA?) having an over-admit problem and converting dorm lounges to rooms, doubles to triples, etc. So some of them do try to be flexible.
Comparing my D’s experience so far at UCLA to my personal experience at a private, I’d say the biggest difference is really the ease of getting into the classes you want/need. At my private I don’t recall ever having any issue getting into any class I wanted, whereas for freshman and sophomore year my D frequently had issues and sometimes took classes she didn’t really want in order to meet her GE requirements when her preferred classes were unavailable.
Of course in-state tuition at the UC system is about 1/4 the private I attended, so there’s that. But we’re paying OOS rates so yay me.
Not all private schools have easy class availability.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1556885-no-calc-101-for-you.html
It’s largely absurd to blame this on the students or high schools if Irvine suddenly changes past practice (regardless of policy). They simply screwed up on not properly using the waitlist and the students/families have to suffer. These are real lives being dealt with; not a time to coldly resort to a policy that hasn’t been followed in the past.