<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>I'm not even graduated yet and I have a job with a title in my industry. I have a friend who graduated as a transfer and went on to a top position at a well known restaurant and made 6 figures his first year out of school. Etc, etc, etc.</p>
<p>i agree w/ allie. I think it's increidibly stupid to say that transfer students were not as motivated. I know a lot of very motivated transfer students who have been working since they were 16 and worked while attenidng ccc b/c they couldn't afford it. That shows a ton of motivation. Also, i also have not heard of many, if any, cases where gpa was considered much at all.</p>
<p>Again... you are missing my point. Yes you can say this transfer student has good work experience in the field ect.. will get the job over the 4 year student who has no experience... yes but thats not my point. All I'm saying is if BOTH students are EQUAL (ie. lets say both have the same level of job experience, or lets say BOTH have NO job experience), just the fact that person A went to the university for the full 4 years (ie. got in as a freshman) that person has the advantage over the transfer. </p>
<p>Put everything else aside such as the type of person they are, leadership abilities, social skills ect... put all that aside... and focus purly on the fact that one was a transfer, and one wasn't. That is all I am saying.</p>
<p>Except that the real world doesn't work that way. You're never going to be on such an even playing field that it comes down to whether you're a transfer or a four year. </p>
<p>The company WILL ALWAYS take the most qualified. ALWAYS. So it doesn't really matter whether or not you're competing with a non-transfer. All that matters, in the real world, is what you've done to qualify yourself for the job. </p>
<p>I think the situation of a transfer going head to head with a four year for the same job, with both applicants being completely equal in every other way, is just not going to happen all that much. And so I don't think it really matters to argue that. For almost everyone it will be a non-issue.</p>
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YA!! I am now more motivated than I was in high school and my first fall semester at cc hasn't even started. What i did in high school opened my eyes and now i am like 10x, or prolly more, than i was before. </p>
<p>I know I can do much better and thas why I didn't settle and go to a cal state that I got accepted to in high school. Instead, I choose CCC (partly because of financial problem)</p>
<p>same level of expirience, knowledge of the profession, communication skills (the interview basicly), can NEVER occur. these are not machines that u're talking about. </p>
<p>and these are lot more important factors</p>
<p>And if u speak to people who go to job interviews, i doubt u'll hear many people say they were aksed for transcripts.</p>
<p>therefore, may be ur point has some legitmacy, but the situation that u described is virtually imposible to occur, One person will just give better answers at an interview and will be hired. I even heard stories of people hired from ucr over ucla b/c they are just better at selling themselves, meaning they tell people what they wanna hear.</p>
<p>Colin,</p>
<p>I work in a large thriving company in the finance department. I can tell you that NO they do not ask for your transcripts. They verify that you did in fact graduate from the school you say you did and that is it. I would not work for anybody that descriminated against transfer students. Many of your claims are completely unfounded. Transfering does not mean that you were not motivated in high school. It does not mean that you are less motivated now. If two completely equal candidates went in for a job interview, it would be the interviewers impression of each of the candidates (which they would get from the interview) that would decide who gets the job. Your claims are as ridiculous as those who say you will get turned down for jobs if you go to USC versus UCLA or vice versa. In the real world it doesn't work like that. Also most transfer students have full time work experience so good luck to all those four years beating them out for a job. Also my uncle has his own accounting firm in Los Angeles and he could care less how people got to the school that they graduated from.</p>
<p>Allie,</p>
<p>Your experience sounds similiar to mine. I watched as my friends went off to Harvard, Stanford, and UCB just to name a few. They would have never been friends with me if I was a dumb slacker.</p>
<p>Transfer students aren't as motivated in HS? I earned a 3.7 in HS and was accepted into all 3 of the major military academies (considered to be some of the hardest schools in the country to get into). Due to financial constraints on myself it was either the military academy or CC --> UC, and I chose the CC --> UC option. To say transfer students aren't as motivated is a joke and says something about the character of whoever says such a thing.</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>And further, a LOT of the kids I knew in HS who went to Berkeley, LA, SB, etc ended up finding out that they couldn't handle it, and either dropped out, transferred somewhere less competitive or CC, or took loooong leaves of absence. I transferred and I'm still graduating (from a better school) earlier than the majority of the people I graduated high school with.</p>
<p>i can definitely relate to allie and sweetny's experience, and i never even applied to college </p>
<p>i remember all those who were accepted to la and berk asking me where i'd be goin for college</p>
<p>when i told them that i'd be going to a cc, they were real surprised </p>
<p>they all told me that they thought i'd be goin to la or berk (we were in calc bc class)</p>
<p>People who have been there since freshman year look down on transfers because the curves are easier in cc (for your lower division courses). The people you have to compete with is much harder at say la/berk than it is at a cc those first two years.</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>they can look down on us all they want but we're the ones who will be laughing when we look at our debt</p>
<p>many of my friends are in debt like 10k at UCs during their first 2 years</p>
<p>us CCer?..well, that depends, but i pocket about 10k during my 2 years stay at my cc since i got 7k from fafsa my first year, and 6k this year</p>
<p>i definitely won't mind them looking down at me =P</p>
<p>Sure. But often the people who are biased against transfers don't even think about that- they just consider high school stats, and sometimes not even that. It's more about the prestige and the im-better-than-yous than anything else.</p>
<p>Well then moonboy I hope you're happy about stealing all that money away from students who really need it. Getting 7k a year for CCC? Wow talk about scandle. Oh well this just shows that financial aid systems are a bit messed up.</p>
<p>i get that much because my family's poor as hell</p>
<p>heck, single mother who doesn't even make 12k a year</p>
<p>think about that, you guys should be happy you're not getting that much!!!</p>
<p>how much do you guys get from fafsa anyway?</p>
<p>Colin- Don't make assumptions, yo. Clearly he wouldn't be receiving the aid if he weren't eligible.</p>
<p>Colin, I guess you have given up on your last argument since it failed miserably. Honestly it doesn't sound like you know anything about the real world. You will see once you get out there how things really work. I forgot to mention that I have actually fired grads and I haven't even gotten a degree yet. LOL You probably wouldn't think that is possible either.</p>
<p>P.S. I am not sure how someone would gain off of financial aid but oh well. I am better off financially because I work. Anything in excess of need would be loans right? Which means the money is not actually yours.</p>
<p>Believe me there are a ton of people who get financial aid for the wrong reasons. Now if what he says is true, then thats fine.. but if you think that all people who receive financial aid is because they really don't have the money, then you need to learn how the system works. Countless frauds are committed every year by students claiming they don't have the money that they really do.</p>
<p>I read your post sweety, and I still stand with what I say. I guess you were lucky that you're "big company" which you still have not yet told me the name of doesn't ask for transcripts. Because if you don't know already, fortune 500 companies will ask for your transcripts when it's your first real job. (Sweety, if you are 30 or something and have had multiple jobs, then of course they won't ask for your transcript). I'm talking first time college grads applying. There are always companies out there that could give a crap about transcripts for new college grads... but most of the big name companies do ask you for them. Just because your company didn't, doesnt mean that the others don't either.</p>
<p>Colin, I am very aware of how the system works. </p>
<p>Sure, there are frauds. But would the dude flaunt it on a public messageboard if he committed aid fraud? And what would he gain from doing so? </p>
<p>Sometimes people deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's not terribly kind to say that someone is "stealing" aid money (and gee, <em>just</em> for community college) when you don't know anything about the person's situation.</p>